Quote from: FlipPro on September 17, 2011, 12:02:10 PM

Quote from: Hawker on September 16, 2011, 09:40:47 PM

Quote from: FredericBastiat on September 16, 2011, 09:36:09 PM

Quote from: Hawker on September 16, 2011, 09:25:23 PM

If you agree with the need for the service, then you agree it must be paid for. The service is not for 1 person or for 1 group of people - its for everyone in society. So everyone in society has to pay for it. The mechanism for collecting that payment is called tax. Stop please calling it "plunder" and "stealing" and "theft" - tax is the best way to provide the service.

I need food or I will eventually starve...
I need air or I will eventually suffocate...
I need water or I will eventually dehydrate...
I need clothes in cold weather or I will eventually die of hyperthermia...
therefore...wait for it...

I must tax to get those things I need.

Yes? Lovely logic. Non sequitur. Straw Man argument. Moving on.

You are capable of better logic so please stop being silly. You need society to provide 24/7 care for the violently mentally ill. You can do the rest yourself. Since you are using the service society provides, you must pay for it through taxation.

If you have a better alternative, feel free to offer it. So far all you say is "Yes I need the service." and "No I won't pay for it."

+1 I can't stand people who benefit so greatly from our current system, seeking to destroy it for everyone else. Disgusting selfishness is what I call it.

Can you explain in concrete terms how it is that Bastiat here is "benefiting so greatly from our current system"? Without assuming things about him or her as an individual.

I think people who make statements like yours are generalizing from their own case more than they realize.