Quote from: BADecker on November 14, 2019, 02:32:24 AM

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Quote from: styca on November 13, 2019, 09:07:04 PM

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Q: Do you think that people can control their DNA?
A: No

Q: Do you think that people who were so healthy 7,000 years ago, that they lived for nearly 1,000 years couldn't change their DNA far easier than we can change ours... even on demand?
A: It is (was) not possible for humans to live past 130-150 or so. Telomeres get shorter every time cells divide. Eventually, they get too short and cells cannot divide. When cells cannot divide, they become inactive, and when your body cannot clean them up, you develop medical issues and eventually you die. https://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/basics/telomeres/
The science of aging is improving, so eventually, we might extend the average human lifespan. But it will not be by listening to music and relaxing. LOL.

S: Neanderthals were simply people who were hundreds of years old, and had changed their DNA from that of other people.
C: Neanderthals were our genetic cousins. Their average lifespan was around 40-50.

Q: Why is a believer of evolution a religious person for believing it?
A: People who understand evolution do not have to 'believe' in it. It is a fact to them. Do you believe in the keyboard that is in front of you?

BTW, I would not take advice on how to 'modify' your DNA from a guy who dropped out of his Catholic High School in Grade 11, in the early 1960s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lew_Childre

Agree with all of the answers here

Quote from: BADecker on November 13, 2019, 12:18:51 PM

Everything in evolution fits simple change, like-begets-like, and adaptation far better than it ever fit evolution.

You keep saying this, particularly on the evolution thread. Simple change, like-begets-like, and adaptation IS evolution. Particularly if you also mean survival of the fittest (meaning best fit to the circumstances). Don't make me bring my gazelles into it again.
Some religious people think that simple change, like-begets-like, and adaptation don't happen, and that everything was created by God 'as is'.
But you accept the facts of evolution, even if you don't call it evolution.

You forgot the part where random - as in random mutations - doesn't exist. Cause and effect is in everything, and doesn't allow for random. No random, no evolution theory evolution. Or find me something in the billions of things that happen daily where there is no C&E. Everything is dictated by C&E.

The only random that exists in evolution is the random of people not knowing what the C&E of evolution is. Now listen very closely. Random is people not knowing. Get it? People not knowing... about evolution not existing because they think that there is random. And this is proven out by people not knowing that evolution doesn't exist... the only random that exists... people not knowing.

Cool

In a deterministic world, your religious free will would not be possible.

In the real world, many instances of intrinsic randomness have been observed, both at quantum and macro levels.

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1611.02176.pdf

You need to read more and write less.

In our deterministic world, religious freedom is the norm. How? God takes our free choices (because we are too weak to do it) and activates the C&E that causes what we chose in this deterministic universe. God isn't limited by time. If necessary to make the universe match our choices, He goes back to the beginning and tweaks C&E to get it to happen today according to what we choose.

Quantum physics is a tiny beginning into God observation. The more of it we see, the more we see God.

You need to think more before you write.

Cool

LOL. You either have free will or you don't. You feel the heat, don't you? Let me bring it home for you.

You cannot have C&E determinism/no randomness and free will at the same time.

You picked "no randomness", so you are a Christian heretic as you denied the existence of free will. If you would pick an indeterministic model of the world, you would also lose because you would be against the dogma that says that God controls everything and that he pre-arranged everything for us.

Heads you lose, tails you lose.

The Christian dogma that says the world is predetermined by God and allows for a free will, contradicts itself. But what else is new.
The whole thing is a poorly written soap opera.

Anyway, intrinsic randomness has been observed in nature. Next.