Quote from: BADecker on November 13, 2019, 05:03:45 PM

You have the freedom of choice to intentionally smash your thumb with a hammer. If you do it, it doesn't hurt God in the least, except that he might feel sorry for you in your stupidity. If you are living in a time or place that doesn't have bandages, God might even supply you with some material that you can use to bandage your thumb.

When God provides materials in nature so that you can fix your smashed thumb, how is it that you don't naturally want to at least thank Him?

Does stupidity really apply to people? I am always skeptical about that. I think the word "stupid" is just a metaphor. Humans are naturally smart--genius even.

You said that God wouldn't be hurt in the least? (when did He ever said He wouldn't?) And here I thought God created humans according to his own image(?), hence makes His creations a replication of Himself. And therefore if His people get hurt, He will as well. After all, who wouldn't be hurt if your creation is being crushed? To sum it up, He shouldn't, wouldn't even let His people smash their own thumbs.

So you really are fixated that everything happened in your life is in this so-called "God's plan"?

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When we talk about Jesus... Jesus is God's way of providing materials for you to bandage your broken life. If you don't want to accept salvation, okay. No skin off God's nose. He'll simply stop feeling sorry for you in your stupid state, if you are unwilling to fix yourself with the salvation that He provides.

Just because some people (e.g. me) does not have the same ideals as you are, makes them "stupid". And when did God became a "tyrant"? I am starting to think that, those are your words, not His.

Quote from: gabmen on November 14, 2019, 07:02:52 AM

What i find hard to grasp is that, out of the immensity of the universe, why would it's creator focus on a small speck of dust like the earth, with its different religions?

I've tried considering this, just in our solar system itself, we're pretty small and insignificant already. Then there probably are billions of solar systems within the milky way. Then there probably are billions of galaxies that compose just the known observable universe.

Out of the immensity of this, i find it hard to comprehend that someone who created all these would spend time singling and sorting out humans for their beliefs and assigning them to a heaven or hell.

I mean, do other living organisms on other parts of the universe have their own jesuses and mohammads?

The way i see it, it's really pretty petty arguing which religion is right or which is wrong when all these vastness is laid upon you. The universe is not here for us. Instead of killing each other about which god is the right god, having petty arguments that no one really will win, we should just look after each other.

Well said. That's the main reason why I always find "religions", are just supposed to be guides, or even to have/maintain order over people, its country. That's why in the Middle Ages, they say that the Royalty and the Religion are the main pillars of a kingdom. And considering how vast the universe is, we're not the only civilization to ever exist. So other civilizations would probably have their own "God" (wouldn't probably be called God), their own "Jesus" (wouldn't probably be called Jesus as well), and their own religion(s)--that's definitely not Christianism.

Then what's that to say about this so-called "salvation"? Oh, you would probably say, "but we didn't know they exist, can you provide evidence first?", well, I could ask you the same, "can you prove to me God's existence?". Except that, those other civilizations to ever exist is closer to reality.