Quote from: TwitchySeal on November 17, 2019, 07:16:38 PM

Quote from: yoseph on November 17, 2019, 05:48:08 PM

Forget the polls whereit claims that people really think that Trump should be impeached for the hullabaloo regarding the Ukrainian issue, this issue has even galvanised lots of people regarding the witch hunt that the Democrats have exhibited during the entirety of the Trump presidency, initially it was the alleged Election and Russian collusion and having spent close to 3 years and a whole lot of money, the whole thing wasn't determined and now they have moved on to this which is very absurd.

Just want to point out that the Mueller investigation was not all about Trump, despite Trump making it seem like it was. The investigation concluded that Russia did in fact interfere with the 2016 election. They also figured out how they did it, which will help to defend against it in the future.

Also, as of last week, 6 Americans directly involved with the Trump campaign are convicted felons for things like failing to register as a foreign agent and lying to congress about Trumps business deals in Russia. Many of these guys were also convicted of Bank/Tax fraud which resulted in the overall investigation being profitable for the federal government. This will discourage future campaigns from doing illegal things, or hiring people that do illegal, which is a good thing for the country as a whole.

Just sayin.

My understanding is that many lobbyists (if not nearly all of them) meet the definition of a "foreign agent" but have not registered as such.

The "how" Russia interfered with the 2016 election is an unproven allegation, and more importantly an unchallenged allegation. The Russian interference was also only looked into with regards to how it benefited Trump, and potential Russian interference that potentially helped Clinton was not looked into, even though the Steele "report" is prima-face evidence of foreign interference that benefited Clinton.

According to the FISA warrant to spy on the Trump campaign via Carter Page, many foreign governments have attempted to interfere with our elections for generations, so to say that "Russia interfered with our election" without additional context is dishonest. The intent of the Russian interference was not even to benefit Trump, it was to sow discord within the US.