Quote from: IadixDev on December 03, 2019, 09:32:44 AM

Quote from: af_newbie on December 03, 2019, 05:03:01 AM

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Quote from: af_newbie on December 02, 2019, 09:27:46 PM

Quote from: IadixDev on December 02, 2019, 08:59:38 PM

Quote from: af_newbie on December 02, 2019, 07:17:37 PM

What has religion accomplished in the last 100 years? Diddly-squat.

And we have destroyed 90% of our ecosystem and lost social cohesion, with two world war and a cold war, plus Hiroshima and all,but at least we have xannax and know how many rings there is on saturn and how many forces there is in the universe.

If you don't like progress, go live in Afganistan. You will get all the social cohesion you so desperately desire.

You are correct af-newbie when you stated that the vast majority of humanity is ignorant.

The most dangerous manifestation of that ignorance is our insane and ill conceived push for power and technological supremacy. As a species we constantly ask can it be done? A wiser species would ask should it be done?

Our willingness to use violence on our fellows in the form of war coupled with the power technological supremacy provides makes the current human trajectory both unchangeable and tenuous at best. It does not take a genius to see that our society is in very deep trouble an out of control train running out of tracks.

It is insanity to work so hard to make this possible:
"Slaughterbots" | Presented by ALTER
Or this:
New Robot Makes Soldiers Obsolete (Bosstown Dynamics)

And those things are just the beginnings of what we are on the verge of unleashing on ourselves in our blind search of power without wisdom.

The Amish essentially have it right on this issue. We should be far far more selective and thoughtful with regards to our technology and technological advancement. Sadly the rest of humanity not only fails to understand their wisdom they often mocks them for it.

This Is How And Why The Amish Live Off The Grid
https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/this-is-how-and-why-the-amish-live-off-the-grid/

Amish are wrong on many things, including their abuse of women and children. Their insistence on freezing their communities in the 1850s is hilarious and tragic at the same time.

Trust me, you don't want to live off-grid. I tried it. You will break your back just to prove a point to yourself that you can do it.
Not to mention you will drop a shitload of money to set it up. Completely worthless exercise.

I agree with you that we have to be careful when adopting new technology.
However, we have no choice. The Luddite position or religious refusal is just silly.

We have to find a way to live with technological progress, be left behind or in the worse case be replaced by it.

Progress will happen whether we like it or not.

Science originally is not even about achieving things, or doing company or building technology. Science is about knowledge and understanding the rules of the universe, and not only thermodynamic and how many watt you can get from 1l of gas, and how much profits you can make out of it. And from the moment you are in this demarch of understanding law of universe, it require the proto thesis that the universe has law, that are constant and eternal, and that it obey To reason, which is in alignement with theology.

Technology can only bring real progress if it contain an humanist dimension to it, like in the platonic sense of percieving knowledge through the good like we percieve object through the Sun. Like the noble truth in budhism.

Otherwise it just become a tool to satisfy greed and ego, putting material needs above everything else, leading To a form of self destruction.

Religion is not opposed To knowledge or science in itself, on the contrary, the logos as the basis of rational thinking is a concept from theology, only in the measure that its taken in the Matrix of greed and ego, destroying eco system and exploiting children To build some technology as cheap as possible To make a maximum of profits in wall street. But its not really what science is about originally.

The relation between mathematics and physics is purely coincidental, and only hold if you believe the universe is ordered and follow reason, otherwise physics is a delusion like any other, with its lot of dogma used to justify the privilege of a ruling elite like the bad side of institutional religion, and no axiomatic grounding as a rational discipline.

They even put a shiva statue in front of the CERN, it show that scientific progress and religion are not fundementally opposed.

I guess you never heard of stem cell research being vehemently opposed by the US religious leaders.

https://www.pewforum.org/2008/07/17/stem-cell-research-at-the-crossroads-of-religion-and-politics/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5398703/

Religion has always been threatened by science as its theological foundations are being destroyed by science.

First, it was the flat Earth model, then Earth was in the center of the universe, then Earth was 6000 years old, then humans were created
by God from dirt, etc. Religious nonsense after nonsense being invalidated by science.

Religion was always opposing science.