Quote from: CoinCube on December 04, 2019, 03:57:18 PM

Quote from: af_newbie on December 04, 2019, 01:05:13 PM

Oh, ok, I understand your logical error now. You equate a fertilized egg with a fully grown child. That is simply not true.

Mind I remind you that CNS starts to develop around 5-6 weeks, not at the conception.

Using your logic, in vitro fertilization clinics are committing genocide because they dispose of thousands of fertilized eggs every day.

And you call socialist nationalists radicals.

I think you are radical, anti-science extremist and do not even know it.

A fertilized egg is not a human being. It has the potential of becoming one, but physically it is not what you think it is.

Well then we have isolated the point of our difference. I am not opposed to science but I am opposed to evil and the science of human experimentation unfortunately has a sordid history.

Not everything that can be done is worth consideration.

The fertility industry is full of misdeeds. Do you know where all of those extra embryos come from that they tear apart to get new human embryonic stem cells?

Its all about money. It is expensive to artificially fertilize and implant a single fertilized egg so those of us in medicine give women drugs and get 8-10 all at once and fertilize them all. Then we implant several of them them intending to suction out and abort one or two if they all succeed a process thats euphemistically described as selective reduction because twins and triplets are often undesired. The rest of the extra embryos are then frozen perhaps for later use but often they end up in the trash or occasionally on the scientists petri dish to be torn apart and experimented upon.

A sane and moral society would at most allow only a single egg to be fertilized and implanted at a time respecting the sanctity of the life that was created.

However, that would be costly. It would require more doctors visits and more attempts for success. Patient costs would be higher and most importantly doctors profits would be lower. Why do it our modern society says. Why let few dead embryos stand in the way of money and power over nature. Create them and grind them up for science and study.

You accuse me of being a radical, anti-science extremist. I deny the charge. I in turn accuse you of supporting great evil which you will shrug off because you dont believe in objective good and evil.

We will never agree but it is useful to highlight our differences so others reading can understand this issue better.

What evil is there in stem cell research? I fail to see any.

You are equivocating fertilizing eggs and then disposing of them with murder. Murdering a human being and not implanting a fertilized egg is not the same thing, IMHO.

You got carried away with your moral superiority complex.

Stem cell research is far from evil. It solves many medical conditions. If you believe in God as I am sure you do, you have to admit that this technology solves many issues that God created. Inborn blindness and deafness come to mind.

How can you say that finding new cures is evil is beyond me? Forbidding this technology is evil, IMHO.

We are not talking about rounding up children and killing them. That is what you are implying.