Quote from: BADecker on December 05, 2019, 09:30:12 AM

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Quote from: af_newbie on December 04, 2019, 06:28:45 PM

What evil is there in stem cell research? I fail to see any.

You are equivocating fertilizing eggs and then disposing of them with murder. Murdering a human being and not implanting a fertilized egg is not the same thing, IMHO.

You got carried away with your moral superiority complex.

Stem cell research is far from evil. It solves many medical conditions. If you believe in God as I am sure you do, you have to admit that this technology solves many issues that God created. Inborn blindness and deafness come to mind.

How can you say that finding new cures is evil is beyond me? Forbidding this technology is evil, IMHO.

We are not talking about rounding up children and killing them. That is what you are implying.

A fertilized egg is simply the first stage of a new human life. Killing it, allowing it to die, or not preparing for it to live before fertilization, is murder.

Stem cell research from stem cells extracted from bone marrow is totally acceptable. Killing an embryo from day one on out to adulthood is murder, even to get the stem cells and the good they might do.

Stem cell research isn't evil. Killing people is evil, even if it's less than a second from when they were conceived that they are murdered.

Cool

Not really. You just arbitrarily decided it is so. If I showed you both pig and human fertilized eggs, you would not know the difference.

http://www.fofweb.com/Electronic_Images/onfiles/SciAniAnat1-14c.gif

Here is an article about what is coming down the pipe. It is not as simple as you (and CoinCube) think.
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/opinion-should-human-animal-chimeras-be-granted-personhood-36664

Just hold out your hand and show me "pig and human fertilized eggs" therein. Ah, hold it in the light a little more. Ah, move your hand to the right... no, to the left. You almost had me there. There isn't really anything in your hand, is there?

If science is too ignorant or weak to see the epigenetic markers that make the distinctions between the various eggs of the creatures, AND the way the epigenetic markers get there, what do we do? Kill the human because we can't tell that it is human? Or raise the pig for bacon?

And you talk about God weeding out wicked people. You show that you are one of the wicked people. Repent while you have time.

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Just wait until someone in your family gets a genetic disorder causing them to lose eyesight or hearing. You will sing to a different tune.

Wicked ones? You are a joke. Are babies born with open spines the wicked ones? How about kids who are blind at birth?

Some weeding out. Sentencing these people to lifelong suffering is evil. Blocking research that can help them is evil.

No, the wicked ones are the murderers, who would use any excuse to do their murdering, even the excuse that murdering several over here will save several over there.

You don't seem to realize that the murderers are doing their murdering so that they can make money. Your unwillingness to recognize this simple fact leads me to believe that you just might be an abortion doctor. But even if you are not, since you agree with them - the abortion doctors - you are a murder by implication... self-implication.

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Letting a fertilized egg die is not murder.

As for abortion, fetuses do not have rights, women do have rights.

I think abortions should be free and allowed to around 8-10 weeks. There is nothing wrong with removing a little wart growing on the uterus wall.

When that wart becomes a viable child, I do have a problem with killing that child. If it is between a woman's life and the baby, I would say a woman should be saved, not the baby.

What you guys are proposing is that fertilized human eggs should have a legal 'person' status. That is just ridiculous.

A fertilized egg is just a bunch of cells on a petri dish. Murder? You guys are irrational.