Quote from: BADecker on December 05, 2019, 07:17:34 PM

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Quote from: af_newbie on December 05, 2019, 02:55:24 PM

Letting a fertilized egg die is not murder.

As for abortion, fetuses do not have rights, women do have rights.

I think abortions should be free and allowed to around 8-10 weeks. There is nothing wrong with removing a little wart growing on the uterus wall.

When that wart becomes a viable child, I do have a problem with killing that child. If it is between a woman's life and the baby, I would say a woman should be saved, not the baby.

What you guys are proposing is that fertilized human eggs should have a legal 'person' status. That is just ridiculous.

A fertilized egg is just a bunch of cells on a petri dish. Murder? You guys are irrational.

Fertilizing an egg and making a human being by this fertilization is what we are talking about. Doing the fertilizing without preparing for life for the human so created is negligent homicide in common language, not legal language.

The woman gave up some of her rights when she placed herself in the position of being trustee for another human.

Removing a human life is different that removing a wart.

Determining when the embryo/fetus becomes a human life is judgmental. Nobody can make such a determination accurately. To do so means that the judgment could be at age 10, or at age 20, or at any other age. This is part of the reason we have wars. One group of humans says that another group of humans should be exterminated.

No! Humans should NOT have legal "person" status. See https://redress4dummies.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/office-of-person1.pdf.

A fertilized human egg is simply a stage in human life. Legal murder at this stage sets the stage to make it legal at any stage.

If you are so against human life, why are you not suiciding yourself? Just a question. Don't do it. Your troubles will only be beginning if you do. You will have to face God in the judgment for your own murder.

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EDIT: Banning stem cell research is the only safe way we can keep from murdering people... at this stage of our knowledge. Why? Because we don't know much about the epigenetic markers that control stem cells for making a human being. Once we know about and can control the epigenetic markers, so that we don't accidentally make a human (that we kill later), then (maybe) we can go ahead with such research in a right way.

Do you even realize that you have more reasons to commit suicide than me? I have none. I am an Atheist, remember? I have more reasons to live than you.

Show some empathy to people who suffer, don't focus all your energy on fertilized eggs on a petri dish. This research can enhance the lives of millions of people, forever!!!

What are you afraid of? That one day we will be able to create human eggs, and sperm in the lab, and make humans at will. And your religion will join the rest of mythologies we have learned in the history class, is this what you are afraid of?

What is your beef in this? Why do you care if fertilized eggs die on their own and don't care when kids die in Ethiopia or Syria?

Whew! I was afraid, there, for a moment, that you might commit suicide, and we'd all be out of your humorous posts that we laugh at.

Killing people to enhance the lives of others is what war is all about. But you are too chicken to go fight in a real war, so you fight the embryos and fetuses. Big brave af-newbie.

What are you so afraid of? enhance your life in the millions of ways available that don't have to do with murdering human beings... especially humans in their most vulnerable period in life. (Big brave af-newbie.)

What's the matter? Attempting to pry into my inner thoughts and emotions just to blab? If you even made any sense, it would be amazing.

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Do you think fertilized eggs on a petri dish are people? Oh, boy, you guys are special, aren't you?

PS. I would not go to any war, even if I was younger. I am a pacifist. Let the other idiots fight wars. Wars accomplish nothing, destroy our resources, kill bunch of people to redraw the borders on the map. Nothing changes.

At what stage do you consider the human being to be a human? Do you have factual info that such age is really the right age? After all, the whole human genome of the human in question is present in that fertilized egg in the petri dish, the moment it is fertilized.

Are you saying that you would rather err on the side of killing a human rather than letting him/her live? Don't you realize that you are fomenting war against your own nation by being in favor of abortion freedom?

In the Bible, when they offered their children as sacrifices to their false gods, they at least had a reason. But now they murder their kids just for convenience, or so that they can increase their pleasure. I hadn't realize how warped you really are.

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I dont think we have a lot of information on this, its the problem Imo, we are far to really know that much about what make life Alive and when it should be ok to use it as a tool in some process.

When scientist can create a cell from scratch and create complex life form that can thrive survive reproduce and be happy then we talk, but we are still far from this.

For the moment we are far to understand all the possible consequence and stake of this.

I guess it often how science progress, first they make plenty of mistake with zero ethics and after a while some Real science can émerge from it.

But in the case they should better think twice and study everything enough to have better bases to fund a strong ethic uppon, for the moment they are still playing with fire, but i guess its how you get progress faster, and there is going to be a whole juicy business around this before we start to get a Real clue about that.