Quote from: CoinCube on December 07, 2019, 10:30:58 PM

Quote from: af_newbie on December 07, 2019, 08:55:11 PM

Truth is not a popularity vote.

It does not matter how many people are for it or against it.

Hey we agree on something for once. I am with you on this one something is true or false moral or immoral inherently and objectivity and it really does not matter if it is a majority or a minority that is able see to understand that truth.

However, I am surprised to see this line argument from you. It was not that long ago when you said this.

Quote from: af_newbie on January 04, 2019, 12:52:16 PM

morality is relative and is not absolute.

So are you a believer now in objective truth and objective morality?

Quote from: af_newbie on December 07, 2019, 08:55:11 PM

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Nature is teeming with life. We grow life in factories just to kill it at a tender age. We grow life only to cut it just when the seeds mature. We spray chemicals with no end to kill animals and ourselves.

People who scream they are "pro-life" have no problem ordering a steak or veal, eat eggs and whole animals or use services of the in-vitro clinic. It is really comical.
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And the same parrots have no problem going to war and kill children, as long as they are not from their tribe.
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Crimes against humanity? LOL. What about human crimes against nature? They are not important in your book, I guess.
Me, me, me. Humanity is a plague.

Sounds like you have figured out that mandkind is fallen. We indeed commit many crimes against nature which we have stewardship over. However, we will never be able to stop these crimes unless we first stop committing crimes against ourselves.

Romans 5:12-14
Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned
To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyones account where there is no law. Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command.

Revelations 12:12
woe to the earth and the sea...

... 'cause the Devil has gone down to you. Cool