Quote from: nutildah on December 19, 2019, 05:21:57 AM

Quote from: TECSHARE on December 18, 2019, 10:53:28 PM

All I am doing is demanding proof to back up accusations, if you perceive that as an attack, then you are the one with the problem, not me.

That's the problem. People present proof. Then you just say "that isn't proof." There is no way to change your mind about anything once you've already made it up. Its part of what makes you dishonest, untrustworthy, and not cut out for DT.

Quote from: hacker1001101001 on December 19, 2019, 04:56:42 AM

blah blah blah

Welcome to Ignoreland.

But is wasn't proof of anything as Philipma1957 and Eddie13 so eloquently put it:

Quote from: eddie13 on December 18, 2019, 09:30:47 PM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on December 18, 2019, 05:30:45 PM

attempt to read, organize to understand

I have.. I have been following this topic of conversation from it's origination, since before it was even moved to this particular thread, and many previous semi-related topics.. I believe you will find that this topic originated there in the link (OG stealing from passthrough)..
But you know, I would not claim myself to be a foremost expert on blockchain investigation, so it is possible my understanding is faulty, no matter my personal efforts, though my efforts have been great, including the effort to make this post..

However..
philipma1957 is more trustworthy than me or any other user commenting here, according to me personally, and I also trust him to have among the highest level of blockchain expertise to decipher this evidence..
I also don't see anyone here daring to accuse him of anything character or motive related, therefore I find it quite reasonable for me to accept his findings as highly accurate, logical, and neutral..

Quote from: philipma1957 on December 10, 2019, 03:14:38 PM

still it seems that og did not get the other 1400.

A) no one has come to the plate and said they were not refunded.

B) no one has shown he got 2500 coins paid back.

C) pirate may have misstated he fully paid Ognasty during statements quoted in the thread.

Quote from: philipma1957 on December 11, 2019, 04:15:18 AM

i looked and looked and look and i dont see this.

i see a partial payment which ognasty paid in under an hour to investors .

if you can show me more then the three payments you showed which add to under 1200 btc

meaning ognasty was shorted around 1300 btc.

if you find the payments for that 1300,which i cant. you would have something.

What evidence we have here seems to show, with quite great magnitude of certainty IMO, that OG's pirate passthrough was not fully paid out by pirate..
This shows me that their is very little reason to believe that OG lied about being fully "reimbursed", or I would rather say "paid out" by Pirate..

Quote from: philipma1957 on December 18, 2019, 06:22:13 AM

so 144 coins.

did not he repeatedly state he invested coins .

he did. lots of posts show he said he put coins into this pirate club.

so now you need to prove those 144 coins belonged to whomever.

.......

so did he simply keep that as it was what he invested?

1. Their is no proof.. Only a dead end.. But many here seem to believe that proof is not required, contrary to my and philipma1957's opinion, which is what creates this great divide in the community, between those who require proof to come to a solid conclusion, and those who do not..
Our only choice is to either agree to disagree on the necessity of proof, or argue on forever.. I think I am in the "agree to disagree" camp, seeing as this will most likely just be left unsolved..
I don't see how this could be any more respectable on my part than that..

2. These coins being OG's share of the partial reimbursement and him rightfully keeping them is just as logical of a hypothesis as him "stealing" them, and IMO more likely due to OG's most excelent track record of handling great amounts of funds over many many years, if he even kept them at all..

OGNasty's word > pirate's word 100% IMO, and the fact that statements were made to the police or any government agents only makes them less credible, also IMO..

Quote from: Vod on December 18, 2019, 02:24:31 PM

OG stole BCH - fact.

What basis do you have for this claim? Link please?
The thread I linked at the top of this post clearly proves that he did not steal BHC, unless you are thinking of some other unrelated incident I am yet unaware of.. But I welcome any evidence you may be able to share..

Of course you are the great and powerful Nutulduhhhh and you get to declare anyone who challenges your baseless conclusions as "dishonest" and "less than honorable", and your baseless conclusions as facts, then justify the use of the trust system in retribution for challenging this conclusion.