Quote from: philipma1957 on December 24, 2019, 02:21:47 AM

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Why I'm an atheist
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I'm also not going to do that against god, since it isn't his fault: every thing suggests that he doesn't exist.
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Therefore, I think I have grounds to say that I'm an atheist and not a simple agnostic.
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I simply choose my personal truth of not knowing the truth and let people do what they want.

I will say this the old testament says innocent naive beings created by the most powerful being in existence left to play in paradise but one catch dont eat that fruit 🍎.

Leave the innocent naive beings alone and dont supervise them then send the best liar in the universe to trick them into eating the apple 🍎. Good old devil 😈 seems like God was quite an a-hole.

to adam and eve and thus all us decendants.

Just to help out a naive being in his understanding so that he knows a little more of the truth...

God didn't leave them alone. He told them not to eat the fruit. Their choice.

God didn't leave them alone. He even walked in the Garden in the cool of the day after they ate the fruit. We don't know if this was the first time He so walked. Or one of many. At the time of this walking, God promised them the Savior from the death they had brought on themselves by eating the fruit. The fact that the Bible exists, shows that God was with their descendants down through the ages after they ate the fruit.

No matter what one thinks about the attitude of God, the choice is still there. Believe and obey God, or be destroyed. What to believe is shown in the Bible. If it is too hard for you to understand, find a trained, Christian, Bible scholar to help you.

Cool

he left them alone to face the devil. did he stand next to the devil when the devil tested them nope.

and where they innocent as a child when they were alone with the devil yep.

go give your 18 month year old instructions to follow. then leave them alone with the devil 😈 good luck with that.

tell me the old testament says they were not innocent and left alone to deal with the devil 👿

Do you remember the way that Adam became a living being? God breathed into him the breath of life. The wording in Hebrew shows that God actually breathed His Spirit in a flowing method, from Himself, into Adam. So, God didn't leave Adam alone at all! Adam's spirit was a duplicate (if paler) of God's. Rather, Adam and Eve chose to test and experience the ways of death. They used God-power to destroy God-power in themselves. They knew exactly what they were doing.

Now, you know, too. What's your choice going to be?

From the atheist, Alan Watts, a religion major, talking about Satan:

Quote from: Myth and Ritual in Christianity

He saw that, of all things, a woman [Mary] was to be his Queen. Far worse than this, he saw that Logos/Sophia, God the Son himself was to become man, and to set one of those "vile [human] bodies" upon the very Throne of Heaven.

At all this Lucifer was at once inflamed with a mystery called Malice. Out of his own heart, by his own choice, by the free and unconstrained exercise of his own will, he preferred his own angelic glory to that of the Divine Purpose which was to "corrupt itself" with humanity. With all the wisdom and foreknowledge possible to an angel, Lucifer could see at once what his malice would involve. He could see, beyond any power of mortal imagination, the everlasting damnation which must inevitably follow from rebellion against God. He realized quite clearly that such rebellion was, as it were, to throw himself with all his might, for ever and ever, against a wall of adamant. Nevertheless, he considered it more noble to rebel and rebel for ever than to surrender the pride of his angelic dignity, and to pay homage to a Body less luminous and spiritual than his own. He was convinced that God's wisdom had gone astray, that the Creator had forgotten himself and he determined to have no part in such lese mateste, -such an undignified aberration in the otherwise beautiful scheme of creation. Certainly he would have to submit to the utmost wrath, to complete rejection from That which was, after all, the Being of his being. But one thing he need not surrender, the one thing which God had given him as his very own, for all eternity >>> his own will.

Along with Lucifer, there were many other angels who felt the same way ... and all together, with Lucifer at their head, they turned their backs upon the Beatific Vision, flying and falling from the Godhead towards that ever/receding twilight where Being borders upon Nothing, to the Outer Darkness. It was thus that they put themselves in the service of Nothing rather than the service of Being, and so became the nihilists who were to do their utmost to frustrate the creative handiwork of God, and most especially to corrupt the fleshly humanity which he intended to honour. In this manner a whole host of the angels became devils, and their prince became Satan, the Adversary, and Beelzebub, the Lord of Flies.

Yet because God was infinite, because the shekinah reached out for ever and ever, the devils found no escape from his light. Turning from it they found it facing them. Above and below, and around on every side, they rushed towards darkness and found always the inescapable Light, the hated Love which began to burn them like a raging fire, so that the only escape lay inwards, to the solitary, isolated sanctuary of their own wills. Therefore this place of isolation and solitary confinement, where the light of God torments and gives no gladness, became the place of Satan's dominion, the Kingdom of Hell. Here he ruled over his own angelic hierarchy with its Powers, Principalities, Archangels, and Angels of Night... .