Quote from: Lauda on December 25, 2019, 12:04:39 PM

Quote from: Steamtyme on December 25, 2019, 11:58:50 AM

I have never tagged you, and you can rant and rave all you want

Neither have I said nor implied you did, and if you believe this is a "rant" or a "rave" you have no idea how the world works. This was me being as decent as possible, whilst conveying the message that the stance of looking in the other direction in spite of huge red flags is objectively flawed and will lead to casualties. Nothing more, nothing less.

I wasn't referring to this as a rant in any way. I should have been more clear. I meant for it to come across that you could go on and do these things and I still wouldn't agree with you being tagged.
I also don't see this as looking the other way, had you created a flag against yobit for this it would have been a different discussion. Instead it was a flag you wanted to create on one user who happened to be wearing that signature and was expressing views we don't agree with.

Quote from: Lauda on December 25, 2019, 12:04:39 PM

You (plural) are failing, following the master's footsteps because you (plural) limit your (plural) thinking within a pre-designed box. I wonder why this place is not improving that much (if at all [1]), and why most of the time spent is wasted in drama that shouldn't exist in the first place? Maybe you (plural) are using the system as you (plural) "think you should use it". Maybe you (plural) need to stop thinking for yourself and test out methods that may actually work? Seems that the system has taken the undesired turn and become primarily political, with members acting like entrenched royalty ("my way is the right way").

This system isn't some new discovery. It's a system implemented by the Admins to overhaul an infinitely more political system that was in place. There are minimal guidelines but guidelines non the less. There is a right and a wrong way to do things and for your part, if you just tried to even remotely draw within the lines you would have a significantly louder voice in that system. Use the Neutral and you can honestly put whatever you feel about the user. Say you think they are scammy, great. Show the flaws in the system by actually trying to use it appropriately, and then maybe you'll see the change you desire. It shows all the same in the score now so there is no need to fit everything into + or -.

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[1] End of 2019, reflect back on the previous couple. Merit system, flag system, new trust system. Reduction in spam? Sure (overall reduction in activity). Reduction in abuse? Opposite is true (more DT members, more abusers). Reduction in scams? Maybe if you close your eyes to the general reduction in activity, you can politically parade the reduction. That's about all you can do. Cheesy

Merit doesn't matter here and is a moving target for whether it works or not. Flag system, it's hard to tell who it helps it's not like people post saying "hey that flagged stopped me from being an idiot" People are more inclined to post about being riped off after the fact as they stand there clueless; or as a shameful warning to others. Reduction in abuse depends on what is seen as an abuse of the system. I like that every month some people take it upon themselves to check things out and dig deeper to see what the system has delivered that month and work to correct blatant issues. If you have a concrete idea or suggestion for people to use present it, let people weigh in on it's merits and maybe we find a better way of doing things together.

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[2] The promotion of a ponzi in their signature is also just a:

Not what you led with for wanting to create a flag. I believe that was already removed from the signatures yesterday.

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I did, I requested my blacklisting quite some time ago because you fools are causing more damage and drama than good at this time (and it has been like this for quite a while).

I don't see how requesting and walking away from that role helps in molding the system in a way you see fit. While there are some here on this forum who relish in this BS feedback side drama I am not one of them. I only find myself sucked in, when for reasons I can't fathom people continuously insist on misusing it, in my opinion. I don't see us agreeing on who fits into what category all the time, I do believe your intention is to try and create a scam free environment. We just have fundamentally different approaches, and I fell references and discussion that clearly layout the issue are needed in feedback.