Quote from: KTChampions on December 25, 2019, 02:14:09 PM

Quote from: Balthazar on December 25, 2019, 02:07:07 PM

Looks like we need a notary to make signed & apostilled translation. Though I doubt that even this would be helpful. He won't recognize it anyway.

Johnny will lie to the last. Perhaps I will ask madnessteat as a participant in that conversation to verify or correct the translation.

I don't like to take part in such disputes because they don't concern me. I'm neutral with both johhnyUA and KTChampions.
johhnyUA for his knowledge of Bitcoin and KTChampions for his investigations.

I always thought that johhnyUA had a negative attitude towards detectives who are investigating the Abuzers and the negative feedback left to them. That day I decided to ask him why he has such an attitude to such work, because in my opinion it is as useful for the forum as writing useful content.

He told me that the cleanups were not going well. Intelligent users are being cleaned up now for obvious and sometimes fictional reasons.

In his opinion, it makes no sense to clean a room in which, as he says, no one will live. I understand he believes that users who share useful information should have leniency in reputation issues.

I'll try to translate a part of our conversation. I apologize to native English speakers if I make any mistakes.

Quote from: johhnyUA on December 05, 2019, 10:26:11 PM

Quote from: madnessteat on December 05, 2019, 08:22:03 PM

Кaзaлocь бы пoчeмy пoльзoвaтeль фopyмa, кoтopый caм гoвopит, чтo фopyм пpeвpaтилcя в гoвнo, нeгaтивнo oтнocитcя к зaчиcткaм?

Пoтoмy чтo зaчиcтки нe тoгo идyт. Ceйчac идyт зaчиcтки тoлкoвыx пoльзoвaтeлeй, пo явным a инoгдa и выдyмaнным пpичинaм, гдe тo тaкиe кaк в cвoe вpeмя cдeлaл inbzin. A нaдo швoндepaм cвoй 37й, кoгдa пoлoвины "чиcтильщикoв" нe cтaнeт.

Quote from: madnessteat on December 05, 2019, 08:22:03 PM

Кaким бы гpaмoтным нe был cпeциaлиcт, нe вaжнo пo кpиптe или cтaнкaм, oн дoлжeн пoнимaть, чтo бeз пoдaвлeния aбyзepoв, мoшeнникoв и пpoчиx, пpичeм нe вaжнo кaкиx, знaкoмыx, дpyзeй, пpocтo xopoшиx coбeceдникoв, фopyм никoгдa нe бyдeт нopмaльным.

Здecь пo xoдy вce, швax. Пocлeдняя cтaдия - caмoцeнзypa, кoгдa в пoдкopкy зaгaняютcя кaкиe тo yбeждeния и в дaльнeйшeм тoлькo тaк и дyмaeшь. Кaк coлдaты вepмaxтa - "Tut mir leid, es ist nur Order"

Здecь нa caмoм дeлe пoднимaeтcя вoпpoc: зaчeм чиcтить пoмeщeниe в кoтopoм никтo нe бyдeт жить? Tы видeл yбopщикoв в зaбpoшeнныx дoмax? Я - нeт. Moжeт кoгдa тo изoбpeтyт кoнeчнo poбoтoв кoтopыe бyдyт чиcтить oбитaлия людeй дaжe пocлe иx иcчeзнoвeния, нo пoкa никтo тaкoй бecмыccлeнoй paбoтoй нe зaнимaeтcя. Boт и здecь тaк: пoчиcтим фopyм, a нaпoлнять eгo нeкoмy бyдeт. Maкcимyм вoт бyдeм тeмы пepeвoдить, и caми ceбя мepитить. И пepeвoдить тeмы бyдyт тex людeй кoгo выгнaли нa peддит, в тeлeгpaмм, битcмeдия и пpoчиe мecтa.

Oпять тaки, мoжeт cкaтывaюcь в кoнcпиpoлoгию, нo кaжeтcя чтo этo нeкaя пoлyпoдcoзнaтeльнaя идeя Teймoca. Чтoбы пoтoм дeнeжки oт фopyмa ceбe зaбpaть. И пpeдпoлoжeниe нe нa пycтoм мecтe, a иcxoдя из мнoгиx пoдoзpитeльныx фaктopoв.

I'll try to translate a part of our conversation. I apologize to native English speakers if I make any mistakes.

Quote from: johhnyUA on December 05, 2019, 10:26:11 PM

Quote from: madnessteat on December 05, 2019, 08:22:03 PM

Why would it seem that a forum user who says that the forum has turned into a shitty negative attitude to sweeps?

Because the sweeps aren't going well. There's a cleanup of smart users now for obvious and sometimes fictional reasons~

Quote from: madnessteat on December 05, 2019, 08:22:03 PM

No matter how competent the expert is, no matter how important it is on cryptovalues or machines, he must understand that without suppressing the Abuzers, fraudsters forum will never be normal, and it does not matter who will be these Abuzers acquaintances, friends or just good conversations.

~ This is the last stage of self-censorship, when some beliefs are corrupted and you think so only in the future. Like Wehrmacht soldiers - "Tut mir leid, es ist nur Order"

This actually raises the question: why clean a room where no one will live? Have you seen janitors in abandoned houses? I haven't. Maybe someday they will invent robots that will clean people's homes even after they disappear, but so far nobody has done such senseless work. Here's how it is: we'll clean the forum, and no one will fill it. At most, we will translate the topics, and send their own merits. And translate topics will be those people who were kicked out on the reddit, in telegram, Bitsmedia and other places.

Again, I may be sliding into conspiracy, but it seems like some kind of semi-conscious idea by theymos. So I can take the money from the forum back later. And the assumption isn't empty, but based on many suspicious factors.

johhnyUA, KTChampions, Please correct me if I have made any mistakes.