Quote from: Gyfts on January 01, 2020, 09:52:28 AM

I'm definitely open minded and can have my mind changed. I've seen the impeachment document -- Again, the point I was making was not about impeachment, but about precedent. to address what you mentioned about high crimes, Trump was not charged with a specific sort of crime. Looking at Bill Clinton, he was charged with perjury, a specific crime. Abuse of power nor obstruction of Congress are not specific crimes, they're broad charges.

The precedent of the last 25+ years is that when party A has the White House and party B controls the House of Representatives, party B to looks for any possible reason to impeach the president.

There were plenty of attempts to impeach Obama (passing Obamacare, Benghazi, Drone attacks, he wasn't actually an American, transgender bathroom laws, and others). I think there were several points where a majority of the House Republicans were openly prepared to vote to impeach - but not enough to get a majority of the entire House.

For the most part though, Obama just ignored the attacks, which seems to have worked, and Trump is taking the opposite approach by playing the victim card, which also seems to be working.

Before Obama, GW had to deal with impeachment resolutions from the Dems, and Clinton got impeached by the Republicans.

Efforts to Impeach GW
Efforts to Impeach Obama

Personally, I think being 'an impeachment happy country' is better than not. Adding "I agree to be transparent, reasonable and not bitch and moan when I am inevitably investigated" to the Presidential Oath wouldn't be a bad idea imo.

It sucks how divided and pissed everyone is, but the less we investigate and scrutinize every decision the President makes, especially when it comes to anything involving elections, the bigger the risk of becoming a ' Wink

democracy

'.