Quote from: Khaos77 on January 02, 2020, 05:57:33 PM

Quote from: Wind_FURY on January 02, 2020, 05:25:14 AM

Quote from: squatter on January 01, 2020, 08:18:53 PM

Quote from: Wind_FURY on January 01, 2020, 11:19:43 AM

I believe if there was that direct threat from the Chinese government, a POW change is in the discussion.

Such a POW change is not a cut and dried decision. To some, it would indicate the ultimate failure of Bitcoin's economic model. And ousting SHA256 miners would effectively pull the rug out from underneath the economy. A blockchain split would be inevitable and the security of the forked chain would be highly questionable.

It'd be interesting to see how that would play out, but it's not something I hope for. In that sense, maybe it's a good thing that local authorities are pressuring Sichuan miners to scale down.

How would mitigating a direct catastrophic threat be an "ultimate failure" if the mitigation is what would actually save the network/protocol?

But, ultimately, I believe the threat/fear of a POW change will cause miners to sort themselves out. Their interests are tied directly to the network/protocol.

Miner's interests are tied to the ASIC infrastructure they have built,
their are at least 3 major coins, they can support or switch too.
Thinking they have any loyalty to any coin is a opinion not a fact.
Their loyalty lies with their personal hardware infrastructure and whichever coin provides the highest profit margin in their own opinion.
Due to the reward drop this year and the majority of fees moving to LN, Bitcoin status as the most profitable could decline verses the others.
As in any conflict, best interests and support will change with different conditions.

That debate I can accept, and say "we can only leave it to the market, the miners, the users". But the assumption that the majority of fees will be moving to LN this year, no it won't.

Plus ask you yourselves, "Will miners, developers, and users truly leave Bitcoin for Bitcoin Cash or SV"?

Quote from: squatter on January 02, 2020, 09:17:38 PM

Quote from: Wind_FURY on January 02, 2020, 05:25:14 AM

Quote from: squatter on January 01, 2020, 08:18:53 PM

Such a POW change is not a cut and dried decision. To some, it would indicate the ultimate failure of Bitcoin's economic model. And ousting SHA256 miners would effectively pull the rug out from underneath the economy. A blockchain split would be inevitable and the security of the forked chain would be highly questionable.

It'd be interesting to see how that would play out, but it's not something I hope for. In that sense, maybe it's a good thing that local authorities are pressuring Sichuan miners to scale down.

How would mitigating a direct catastrophic threat be an "ultimate failure" if the mitigation is what would actually save the network/protocol?

Bitcoin's entire model is based on rationally incentivizing honest mining. This case would prove that the existing incentives are insufficient to actually achieve that. It would be a catastrophic blow to confidence in the system.

Do you really think we can just brick all existing mining hardware without consequences? Huh

The debate started from "the miners are stopped from being rational". If they continued to be rational, no problem.