Quote from: DireWolfM14 on January 02, 2020, 10:17:29 PM

Quote from: TECSHARE on January 01, 2020, 07:37:43 PM

Call in the clowns. Don't forget your red nose DireWolfM14.

Any chance of having a constructive discussion without stooping to CH level ad hominem attacks? I would actually like to resolve all the DT1 infighting, but this type of discourse isn't helpful.

Quote from: TECSHARE on January 01, 2020, 07:37:43 PM

The accusation you are referring to here is first of all made by Nutilduhh who has a very long standing gripe stemming from their interactions with me not only involving the trust system but from discussions in Politics & Society.

Whether nutildah's post predated my conclusions or not is irrelevant. I know it doesn't suit your argument, but I am capable of critical thought despite the influence of others. Regardless of the chronology it's my opinion that nutildah has made a valid point. You are manipulating and using the Turkish member to further your DT1 agenda and expand your influence.

Coincidentally, I have no issues with nutildah, and as far as I know he has none with me, despite the two of us being on opposite sides of the political spectrum. Maybe your issues with nutildah aren't so much your politics, but how you debate them? But I digress.

Quote from: TECSHARE on January 01, 2020, 07:37:43 PM

I am trying to help build a culture of restorative not punitive justice

This is a philosophy that I can totally stand behind when it comes to limiting governing power. As a conservative minded person, the last thing I want to see is a Minority Report type of punitive system in place. But this isn't Philadelphia in the late 1700's, and we're not the Constitutional Congress. This is an internet forum with many successfully anonymous members, some of whom are scammers.

There isn't going to be any real justice if a guy shows up and makes wild claims of exorbitant ROIs if you invest in his cloud mining ponzi. There is no "Justice System" in place here that can recoup the losses of the victims of such scammers. How can there be a "restorative" system in these cases? There's the old adage; an ounce of prevention... That's the best we can do on this forum.

I'd like to believe I'm restrained when handing out negative reviews, and I hope all who are in the DT system also demonstrate thoughtful and cautious restraint. There have been instances where the evidence was incomplete, yet I felt a warning to the community was warranted. Those situations have been few. If someone within the system doesn't show restraint I'll make a voting decision based on the value vs. detriment of allowing that person to remain on DT. It's a difficult decision to make, and shouldn't be taken lightly.

To address the "punitive" part of your statement, what can possibly be done to someone on the internet that would be considered "punitive?" There's no forum jail, or court system. Most criminal scams that happen here aren't going to garner much attention from real-life law enforcement. No one is going to jail for promoting LiveCoin, Yobit, or any other scammy exchange or ICO. The only thing that's going to happen is a little red number shows up next to the scammer's (or "scammer's") name. If you consider that punitive, well then, okay, we'll have to agree to disagree.

You never answered my question. If I am to perform what is arguably a public service of dispute mediation, exactly what do I need to meet your fine and arbitrary standards so that I can some how prove what is happening in my mind and this public service is not being done in some strange reverse Machiavellian plan where I do good and useful things to help people, just to take over everything. Then of course step 3: profit.

No I think I will keep referring to you as a clown as I prostitute your goat to Nutilduhh for quarters. You are impugning my character and based on your interpretations of what you believe I intend for that matter rather than facts. You can go fuck yourself with your civil discourse because you don't operate by the rules of logic when it doesn't suit you, therefore logic alone is never going to make a difference in a discussion with you. This is all about an image you have been sold by a collection of turds being flushed down a toilet bowl around here as they go down the drain. You are confirming your bias and arranging interpretations around me rather than looking at facts and then coming to conclusions.

As far as the rest of your jibbering, the point is not oh the poor scammers. The point is the poor regular users who get caught up in this horse shit that allows certain users around here to run around like geeked up control freaks lording over people as they put on their little internet cop hat and clown noses. That has a negative affect on the user base and I have seen it drive a lot of great users who would have otherwise stayed away. At the end of the day the scammers are back in minutes on a bought account. The legit users burned in retribution for certain speech or the arbitrary/unclear/unwritten rules often just leave for good. Most of these accusations are more about the accuser boosting their own image by creating a reputation as a "Scam buster" by sheer arbitrary volume. This kind of behavior is destructive to any community online or not and should not be tolerated. People should be able to go about their business unless otherwise victimizing some one. Violations of forum rules should be reported to staff. The end.