Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on January 06, 2020, 04:06:21 PM

Quote from: JollyGood on January 04, 2020, 02:55:06 PM

Just for the record I do not use NordVPN, PureVPN, SharkVPN or any other I mentioned a couple of posts back

Just for the record, neither do I. Tongue

Quote from: JollyGood on January 04, 2020, 02:55:06 PM

What would you say is the best way forward for mixers to try to get users to have full confidence when using their service?

I don't think I could confidently answer that, and I'm sure if there was a simple solution someone much smarter than me would have already implemented it. I often see blinded bearer certificates mentioned, and theymos wrote a good summary on them on reddit a few years ago (https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5ksu3o/blinded_bearer_certificates/). However, there seems to have been very little, if any, development on developing them with bitcoin since then. As nullius mentioned above, I suspect the ultimate answer will lie in Lightning Network, perhaps using rendez-vous routing so the sender and recipient can hide their details from each other.

Quote from: johhnyUA on January 06, 2020, 03:38:42 PM

As i know, the better way is to combine VPN + Tor.

Not necessarily.

Quote from: johhnyUA on January 06, 2020, 03:38:42 PM

With VPN over Tor noone will know that you (in meaning your IP) using Tor, while VPN provider don't know for what you're using it.

Careful with your wording here. "VPN over Tor" means connecting to Tor first, and then connecting to your VPN second, therefore accessing your VPN "over" the Tor network. This is worse than just using Tor on its own. It negates the entire point of using Tor since all your traffic will be re-routed through your VPN server, meaning your VPN provider can still see all your traffic (and link it to your real identity if you have given them any personal details when singing up or paid in fiat or non-anonymized bitcoin).

I suspect what you mean is "Tor over VPN", which is connecting to your VPN server first and then through the Tor network. While you are right in saying this will hide the fact you are using Tor from your ISP, it isn't necessary since you can achieve this using a Tor bridge with or without a pluggable transport. Whether or not you want to use a VPN server or a pluggable transport depends on whether you trust your VPN provider or a random Tor entry guard more.

I agree... going by the VPN + TOR example, that is no way to guarantee user anonymity if that is what is expected by using those two in that order.

About using rendez-vous routing and Lightening Network - I had never heard about this before. I will search online to get some sort of idea about the process theoretically should work just so I can get an understanding. Thank you for mentioning it in your post.