Quote from: af_newbie on January 11, 2020, 01:27:49 PM

Quote from: BADecker on January 08, 2020, 10:51:47 PM

Quote from: Trading on April 03, 2016, 04:54:30 PM

   Conclusion:

   The burden of proof is on the believers' side, since they are who argue for a positive thing: the existence of a mysterious higher being.

The burden of proof is on the atheists. Why? Because we all know that machinery doesn't come into existence without a machine maker. And machine universe is so complex that the universe Maker would only fit our description of "God." Indeed, our description of God is far too small. God is tremendously great beyond any way we can describe Him.

Why does all the "stuff" that your Conclusion is the conclusion of fail? Because the results are God if you add the fact of the universe machine. You can't get correct answers with only part of the equation.

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1 Corinthians 1:20-31:

Quote from: https://www.biblehub.com/niv/1_corinthians/1.htm

20Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. 22Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom, 23but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 24but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength.

26Brothers and sisters, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. 27But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. 28God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised thingsand the things that are notto nullify the things that are, 29so that no one may boast before him. 30It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from Godthat is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. 31Therefore, as it is written: Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord.