nutildah, you are slippery. Too bad for you that brains permanently addled by LSD have trouble keeping stories straight:

With “they” referring to Quickseller and PrimeNumber7:

Quote from: nutildah on January 15, 2021, 02:07:17 AM

I don't care what kind of deal Lauda had with Quickseller to pretend they're not the same person.

Quote from: nutildah on January 16, 2021, 01:33:29 AM

Quote from: nullius on January 15, 2021, 03:11:20 AM

Your such accusation against Lauda is false, malicious, and defamatory.

Well I heard otherwise from someone you would probably find reputable in the matter but I don't want to disclose my sources so OK, I retract the statement.

Quote from: nutildah on January 17, 2021, 05:33:19 AM

Apparently nullius thinks mentioning deals with Quickseller constitutes defamation; for what reason I'm not exactly sure. What's weird is most of the details about what happened are largely public -- obviously the two came to some sort of understanding through forgiveness. I don't remember ridiculing that or saying it was bad.

So, what do you “retract”? The allegation that Lauda cut a “deal” (impliedly with some exchange of consideration) to “pretend” something that she impliedly knew to be untrue, based on your alleged secret “sources”? (Perhaps you were told by the same person who told Quickseller that Lauda had a drug addiction?) —Or the allegation that Lauda and Quickseller publicly “came to some sort of understanding through forgiveness”? Please clarify, so that I can understand what to make of your “retraction”. Roll Eyes

Quote from: nutildah on January 16, 2021, 01:33:29 AM

Quote from: nullius on January 15, 2021, 03:11:20 AM

fantastical mischaracterizations of an overt promoter of LSD use

You removed my inline hyperlink to what I am talking about, so that you can pretend that I am spouting nonsense. That is deeply dishonest of you. Here is the proper quote:

Quote from: nullius on January 15, 2021, 03:11:20 AM

When my whole point is to stop the off-topic attacks on a person who is not involved in this thread, I will not be drawn into rehashing the details of the PrimeNumber7 accusation by the fantastical mischaracterizations of an overt promoter of LSD use.

The subject of drug abuse promoters in DT is one that I have been intending to raise for months, with appropriate tags and a public call for exclusions. It needs to be done, and it needs to be done right, and I simply have not had the time for such a thread.

Whereas it is funny that hereby in this thread, your position is being supported by someone who has a history of reporting people to the IRS and the FBI—who knows, maybe the DEA, too. As an anarchist, of course I do not advocate such a thing—#justsaying. Anyway, lawman Vod, why do you give such credence to crazy rumours fomented primarily by nutildah, a hallucinogenic drug abuser and advocate, and suchmoon, who uses source merits to reward the blatant advocacy of doing drugs? You are believing conspiracy theories peddled by the forum’s Timothy Leary, who has told me that I am ignorant about LSD and psilocybin because I have never had the “educational” experience of frying my own brain with the stuff (!).

Stereotypical drug-abuser rationalizations. Hey, Vod, hasn’t every law-and-order type seen these clichés a thousand times? Roll Eyes

Quote from: nutildah on October 19, 2020, 07:58:33 AM

Quote from: nullius on October 19, 2020, 06:53:44 AM

They can turn you into a superstitious nitwit

No more superstitious than somebody who has never experienced psychedelics for themselves but label them as "bad" without fully understanding them.

Psychedelic drugs aren't addictive and can be quite educational if you let them work their magic.

Don't knock it until you've tried it.

Quote from: nutildah on October 19, 2020, 08:26:14 AM

nullius, all you are doing is highlighting your ignorance of the subject. have a fantastic morning.

Merited by suchmoon (4), strawbs (2), vapourminer (1), 600watt (1), sirazimuth (1), P_Shep (1), soullyG (1), OutOfMemory (1)

Quote from: nutildah on October 19, 2020, 01:16:28 PM

[...]

You've never tripped on LSD or mushrooms, you've never been to France, so there's no possible way you could know what its about more than someone who has. All the books in the world - all your personal assessments of friends who have visited France - are no substitute for first-hand, real life experience.

[...]

(Don’t bother deleting anything. I have been keeping evidence all along.)

Frankly, I cannot believe that anyone trusts the judgment of someone so delusional that he thinks that tripping on LSD is in any way whatsoever analogous to taking a trip to France. —Or that anyone even wants to talk to such a person.

Anyway, Quickseller and PrimeNumber7, I am very sorry that both of your respective reputations have been damaged by nonsense peddled by some addle-brained scum who actively tries to drag others into his acid-dropper lifestyle (see above quotes), and by his playground-clique pals. Yes, I saw nutildah’s “evidence” last year; the attempt at linguistic analysis was unscientific bunkum, nothing like what tspacepilot did. (Unfortunately, not many Reputation regulars have the technical expertise to understand what tspacepilot did, and why it was significant.) As for what hilarious said, well—he is the one who has been sowing rumours that Lauda will return with an alt. Yes, I recently compared hilarious alt theories to QAnon; I thought that it was funny. His uncorroborated statements should be taken with a grain of salt.

Overall, especially when you haven’t actually been accused of doing anything wrong (!), all of this is just another smear campaign.

Quote from: nutildah on January 16, 2021, 01:33:29 AM

I hope you realize you've now completely transformed into cryptohunter,

Quote from: nutildah on January 15, 2021, 02:07:17 AM

I don't care what kind of deal Lauda had with Quickseller to pretend they're not the same person.

Quote from: Laudanum on December 27, 2020, 01:18:11 AM

Of course he is PN7. Why else would QS and Lauda both suddenly and in tandem become certain each other was no longer a scammer or the most dangerous scum here right after lauda tagged PN7? They cut a deal.

cryptohunter, are you transforming into nutty nutildah!?

I am surprised that you would buy into this, CH. Objectively, the QS/PN7 alt accusation is a case study on how rumours, gossip, and peer pressure amongst suchmoon’s little lunchroom clique can produce groupthink “facts” that everybody just “knows”.

Quote from: Laudanum on December 27, 2020, 01:18:11 AM

Want to debunk any posts I've just made go ahead and try. Not pulling punches with anyone here now. Debunk evidence that I can present to corroborate my statements or keep quiet.

You know what, CH, I am in the mood to take you up on that. I won’t debate nutildah, because I don’t like to argue with the self-made crazy of acid-droppers; it is a policy that I have learned by experience, to avoid wasting my time and, frankly, to preserve my own sanity. But you are more reasonable than nutildah—or at least, you are less unreasonable, relatively speaking. (Admittedly, that is damning you with faint praise—sorry for comparing you to nutildah!)

There was no “deal”. I spent days arguing the PrimeNumber7 case with Lauda. I debated her about it intensively—I debated her publicly, and much moreso in private. She kept trying to convince me that he was Quickseller, and her tag was justified. I kept trying to convince her that the case was at best weak as hell, and she should untag him. I am thus reasonably sure that her reason for untagging him was that I won the debate.

We regularly debated a wide range of topics. Usually, neither of us could persuade the other; usually otherwise, she prevailed. The PrimeNumber7 case was one of very few instances in which I ever convinced her of anything; I will take that as an indication of the quality of arguments on both sides.

And I was not only debating Lauda!

Let us step back for a moment, for context. Quickseller, I don’t like to dig this up; but the following litany of quotes needs to be assembled in one place, so that people can see what really happened.

Merited by Vod (2)

Quote from: nullius on February 07, 2018, 12:29:44 PM

I am surprised that Vod is the only one who clearly called out the textbook smear tactic Quickseller here applies—and applies with hamhanded transparency, I might add. I have highlighted three of Vod’s above posts with merit, because they stated exactly what I had in mind when I read OP—and they are the only answer Quickseller should receive as to his stated questions.

Observe:

Quote from: Quickseller on February 04, 2018, 08:07:50 PM

Update: After >24 hours from when Lauda first responded to this thread, Lauda has yet to in any way deny, nor disputed he has an addiction to pills, nor has he denied that he abuses illegal drugs.

Quote from: Quickseller on February 04, 2018, 11:03:50 PM

I am interested for Lauda to more specifically address this. Are you going to explicitly deny? Or is there truth to you having a drug addiction?

[...ad nauseam...]

Quote from: Quickseller on February 06, 2018, 07:24:56 AM

It seems that Lauda is not interested in denying he is addicted to and/or abusing drugs. Very interesting indeed...

Placing somebody in a position to deny a scandalous accusation (from a mysterious “I was told by” source!) is one of the best-known cheap smear tactics from the Book of Cheap Smear Tactics.

(Next standard twist: Classic “begging the question”. “Lauda, when did you stop leaving negative trust tags while in drug-fuelled rages?”)

Get this: I am also “not interested in denying” that I have a drug addiction, that I just raped and murdered someone, or that I’m a Bcasher, because the accusations are outrageous on their face and there is no evidence whatsoever for them.

Quickseller, give EVIDENCE. PUT UP OR SHUT UP.

Lauda, in the absence of evidence, you are under no obligation whatsoever to deny, to explain why you won’t deny, or to do anything other than ridicule Quickseller as the obscene buffoon he is.

N.b. that early on here, I was so disgusted at one of this forum’s most odious trash threads that I made it excruciatingly clear how deeply I despise drug addicts (previously). Even should Quickseller continue transparently applying textbook smear tactics (as I do expect) and direct them at me, I could not very well be accused of acting in sympathy to drug addiction.

Quote from: Lauda on February 04, 2018, 11:48:52 PM

Does being addicted to cats count as being an addict Huh

Those evidentiary photographs posted upthread by minerjones don’t look so good, Lauda. Do you deny doing lines of catnip with your kitties while sitting atop a huge pile of Bitcoins and laughing maniacally? Do you deny it? Very interesting, you don’t deny it...

CH, how is this for “objective standards”, “being fair to everybody”, and “not having a double standard”: At a time when I in DT, when I had strong anti-QS biases and an admitted tendency to treat QS alt accusations with a presumption of guilt, I acted against my own biases. I applied the same standard to PrimeNumber7 as I had applied to my dear friend Lauda. Compare the above quotation with the following:

Quote from: nullius on January 19, 2020, 04:16:03 PM

Quote from: marlboroza on January 15, 2020, 11:36:38 PM

Silence is best proof you can get.

Not so. In the general case, “but so-and-so did not deny it!” is a classic Quickselling fallacy. Although it may not be fallacious in the face of compelling evidence plus the absence of any possible good-faith motive to ignore a charge, silence qua silence is weak evidence at best, and certainly not the “best proof”.

Topic subject: @PrimeNumber7 is an alt account of @Quickseller
Post subject: I am not Quickseller.

Quote from: nullius on January 19, 2020, 07:38:16 PM

Sorry...

Quote from: Quickseller on February 05, 2018, 02:53:13 AM

Quote from: Vod on February 05, 2018, 12:54:35 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on February 04, 2018, 08:07:50 PM

I have been told by someone very reputable, and whom I trust that Lauda has a serious pill addiction.

Hearsay.

Surely this should be very easy for Lauda to dispel this by simply denying that he has a pill addiction. However he has failed to do this. Why do you think Lauda would not quickly deny that he is addicted to pills?

Instead, Lauda is wanting to know how much evidence there is against him, and wanting to see the evidence that he has an addiction. All while Lauda's "friend" The Pharmacist is backing him, and preemptively saying that Lauda should be in "DT". What do you think this is an indication of?

On principle, I will not become Quickseller for the purpose of smacking down alleged Quickseller alts.

Quote from: nullius on January 20, 2020, 06:36:58 AM

Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on January 19, 2020, 05:49:42 PM

Silence is not evidence of guilt,

Agreed. It is zero evidence either way.

Given the timing of events, I reasonably infer that my above-quoted “I am not Quickseller” speech in PrimeNumber7’s defence must have moved Quickseller to a soul-searching moment. If he is not PN7, then he has first-hand knowledge that he is not PN7; and he thus had first-hand knowledge that an innocent bystander was being smear-attacked by people with an anti-QS grudge, using exactly the same “he did not deny it!” argument that he himself had used against Lauda. In retrospect, I can see how that must have left him burning with shame and remorse.

Before now, Quickseller was always unmoved when people attacked his Panthers52 alt. He either ignored it, or counterattacked in epic flamewars. The above-quoted discussion evidently got to him in a way that nothing in the Panthers52 case ever did. I thus weigh his reaction (—what I reasonably infer to have been his reaction—) as evidence that he is not PrimeNumber7: If he had been PN7, the rational reaction would have been to play it cool while I was accidentally defending his selfish interests using the same arguments that I had previously used to attack him. His reaction was too altruistic, too laden with guilt—exactly how he would feel if PN7 was an innocent bystander.

Evoking his remorse was not my intention—sorry, Quickseller, I didn’t expect that you would be so reasonable, let alone conscionable! I simply thought that it was the perfect argument to induce some soul-searching by the people attacking PrimeNumber7—sorry, I expected that such characters as suchmoon would be more reasonable (and conscionable) than they turned out to be. But Quickseller turned out to be the good one. About 47 hours after I started that line of argument, he suddenly and unexpectedly apologized to Lauda.

I know that Lauda’s reaction to Quickseller’s apology was utter shock, because I was in active discussion with her when Quickseller posted it. I got her contemporaneous private reaction, before she replied. She did not see this coming.

Quote from: Lauda on January 21, 2020, 06:44:59 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on January 21, 2020, 06:07:40 PM

As an update to this thread:

The information I received was from someone who I trusted at the time, but I have seen to bend and stretch the truth. A review of my other private conversations with this person reflects even more egregious examples of this, including examples of while I cannot affirmatively say is a lie, some representations are what I would consider to be dishonest. I am not going to comment on my source, as I previously told this person I would keep his identity secret, although some may guess based on semi recent forum events.

When I opened this thread, I took what this person said at face value and did not ask to see any underlying evidence. The claimed evidence was already shaky. For this I was wrong and I apologize.

Finally! Thank you. I never thought that this day would come.

Now I can state for the record: I do not and never had a pill addiction.

Thus after almost two years of keeping silent in the face of a totally baseless false accusation, Lauda finally denied it.

In 2018, I myself had urged her both publicly and privately to keep her silence. For if people can be made to deny accusations so weak that there is anyway no probable cause to believe the accusation, then it would set a horrible precedent:

suchmoon, a friend of a friend told me that you torture cute kittens for sadistic pleasure. Do you deny it? WHY DON’T YOU DENY IT!? Very interesting: suchmoon does not deny being a sadistic kitten-torturer.

(Oh, and if you do deny it, then tomorrow, the question will be if you admit or deny that you are a cannibal who eats babies kidnapped by space aliens. WHY DON’T YOU DENY IT!? You see how that works.)
Quickseller, I saw in a thread somewhere a theory that you are theymos’ alt:

Quote from: Timelord2067 on June 19, 2019, 04:35:31 PM
Quote from: killyou72 on June 13, 2019, 01:59:51 PM
(That would be fucking nuts if quickseller was an alt of theymos)

There's an admin who in a PM to me claimed he is an alt of quickseller... after my posts started getting deleted... [...] I can accept one of quicksellers' alts is an admin.

Quickseller/theymos has never denied this! WHY DON’T YOU DENY IT!? Very interesting: Quickseller does not deny that he is administrator of this forum.
In 2018, Quickseller accused me of being Lauda’s alt:

Quote from: Quickseller on February 17, 2018, 03:29:54 PM
nullius is lauda. That is very clear. Anyone who does not see this is simply closing their eyes.

I have never denied it. WHY DON’T I DENY IT!? Very interesting...

Quote from: suchmoon on January 17, 2021, 05:50:30 AM

Quote from: nutildah on January 17, 2021, 05:33:19 AM

Awesome. I'm particularly intrigued how you managed to damage the no-longer-relevant reputation of a user account that left this forum with such a fanfare... maybe nullius wasn't aware that Lauda is no longer with us. You should apologize and blame Tomatocage, that will make it right.

Quote from: nutildah on January 17, 2021, 05:33:19 AM

I don't remember ridiculing that or saying it was bad.

I don't have such qualms. It was cringy AF.

Thank you for showing your true face. Usually, you are more skilled at fooling people...

Quote from: Cryptotourist on January 17, 2021, 08:22:14 AM

And there I thought, that I was the troll.
But it's OK, everyone and their mothers can tell that nullius has owned you both - on more occasions that you'd like to admit.

I hope you girls re-al-ize, and learn to live with that. Kiss

...or at least, you think you are.