Quote from: eddie13 on January 23, 2020, 05:31:17 AM

Quote from: JollyGood on January 23, 2020, 12:57:44 AM

Quote from: marlboroza on January 22, 2020, 10:03:14 PM

Quote from: eddie13 on January 22, 2020, 09:44:18 PM

Is it a "scam" or just a predatory "high risk" investment offering? Where is the line?

Is X10 scam "or just predatory high risk investment offering"?

What would most users consider as being the difference between the two of them? I see myself applying the two sides of the same coin analogy.

It's a good question.. That's why I asked..

Maybe Yobit will prove itself useful and help us find out..
What is the difference between Yobit and the last cases of campaigns advertising scams getting every advertiser red-tagged if they don't stop?
Yobit must be pretty borderline if it is so shady but this has not happened.. It is even allowed back after a spam ban.. Why?

If it's a scam enough to tag Vispillo over it then it is surely scam enough to tag all of the participants until removal no?

Starting with Vispillo, picking on Vispillo, and using it as a reason to tag just Vispillo, is a little fucked up if you won't even tag shitposters for advertising the same "scam"..

Not everyone sees situations the same way..
Obviously their are plenty of users in favot of Yobit being allowed to advertise here despite all these detractors.. Or it would be tagged up and run out of here by now, as usual..

Why don't you take it up with Yahoo?
There you have a highly trusted user in favor of it being allowed to advertise here, and if it wasn't for him, it would be banned and gone anyway..

I agree that not everybody will see everything in the same way. We all are entitled to our opinions and rightfully so.

I started this thread with the purpose of asking whether Merit Source or DT users should promote a known scam and explained "the banner he promotes could be from LLC1 or LTD2 or Company3, it would make no difference but it just so happens to be a Yobit banner"

I also explained a blanket ban just for displaying a banner should not warrant a tag unless exceptional circumstances and in my opinion when a user states he is promoting a scam and furthermore adds victims are blamed because they got scammed then yes that user deserves a tag in my opinion.

Quote from: JollyGood on December 29, 2019, 01:42:49 PM

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Whether promoting a Yobit banner or any other banner it should not warrant a tag unless there are exceptional circumstances. I have not come across any exceptional circumstances that fit that description yet except for user Vispilio because he has openly stated he is promting a banner in full knowledge it is a scam and that is unacceptable. The banner he promotes could be from LLC1 or LTD2 or Company3, it would make no difference but it just so happens to be a Yobit banner.

Quote from: JollyGood on January 22, 2020, 02:52:51 PM

Quote from: notblox1 on January 22, 2020, 01:30:01 AM

Isn't Yahoo DT member and Yobit campaign manager also?
People are talking bad about everyone else except about Yahoo, that is something like taboo

I don't like yobit, but I think opening so many topics about it you give it free advertisement.

I am not sure how it all worked out but think there was some form of consensus that led to yahoo62278 being asked or volunteering to manage the Yobit campaign because of previous issues with either non-payment to participants or thread flooding (or maybe both). It has been quoted in several places he managed to clean up a lot the forum by banning several spammers and low-level trash posters which many users appreciated. I think only yahoo62278 can elaborate further or to correct me.

Having said that, this thread was not created about any user showing Yobit or any other banners. I have no interest in which user displays which banner or participates in which campaign unless when the user states he knows he is promoting a scam.

In the case of Vispilio, he is DT yet he is participating in a campaign promoting a project that he has himself labelled a scam. Furthermore he believes victims who fall prey to the scam are effectively to blame for getting scammed and on top of that he has no issues displaying the Yobit banner.

Why is this different from the other many, many users displaying Yobit banners and getting paid for it? As mentioned in the OP:

In simple terms, if a user promotes a scam but does not believe or accept it is a scam, then it is up to the community to present evidence to show them they are wrong.

If however a user openly states he knows he is promoting a scam and then fault blames victims for getting scammed then that clearly shows the user is unsuitable for any responsible role.

If you know of any other users that say they know the banner they are promoting is a scam then please let me know so I can open a thread highlighting them or kindly open a thread yourself and others will post their views there.

Quote from: eddie13 on January 23, 2020, 05:31:17 AM

If it's a scam enough to tag Vispillo over it then it is surely scam enough to tag all of the participants until removal no?

The answer to the question is "no". I made it clear several times and the reason is above and I am highlighting it again below:

Quote from: JollyGood on January 22, 2020, 02:52:51 PM

If however a user openly states he knows he is promoting a scam and then fault blames victims for getting scammed then that clearly shows the user is unsuitable for any responsible role.

If you know of any other users that say they know the banner they are promoting is a scam then please let me know so I can open a thread highlighting them or kindly open a thread yourself and others will post their views there.

There is a difference between somebody deliberately promoting something they believe to be a scam and somebody who promotes the same thing but does not believe it is a scam.