Quote from: JollyGood on January 23, 2020, 06:02:50 PM

Quote from: Lauda on January 23, 2020, 04:55:39 PM

Quote from: eddie13 on January 23, 2020, 03:15:18 AM

This thread is very damning..
How much scam is enough scam to do something about in in a widespread and consistent manner?

This is what bothers me with this. If this continues, i.e. we do not do anything in said manner, then this will set a precedence that some scamming is acceptable which is very dangerous, and frankly just unbelievable.

Quote from: JollyGood on January 23, 2020, 04:42:30 PM

There is definite logic in that approach. After they were given permission to return to the forum they probably would have got banned within days anyway but I think I read there was wide consensus for yahoo62278 to handle things just for the sake of cleaning up the forum from spammers but with hindsight maybe it was not a good idea for the community to ask him to contain the Yobit campaign.

We need to keep a clear separation of the problem:
1) Yobit spamming - administration issue.
2) Yobit scamming and people advertising a known scam - trust/DT issue.

The current state of affairs is a display of complete failure on our end regarding point 2.

After reading you post I will say there is still a lot of merit in the approach I applied to the process of scams being promoted:

In simple terms, if a user promotes a scam but does not believe or accept it is a scam, then it is up to the community to present evidence to show them they are wrong.

If however a user openly states he knows he is promoting a scam and then fault blames victims for getting scammed then that clearly shows the user is unsuitable for any responsible role.

.. but without a shadow of doubt I think you make a very valid point indeed Lauda and you have articulated it in such a simple manner, so much so it makes it difficult to argue against it. Thank you.

I believe that the following soft approach is the most correct to everyone and can't be denied in that way: Extending on what you said - If there is consensus within the majority of DT that this needs to stop, then I'd issue a mass PM to every single person wearing their Signature and would point out:

Evidences and cases of their scams.
The consensus of the community that advertising any scams is unacceptable, or particularly in this case that advertising Yobit is unacceptable.

Any sane, user who does not condone scamming would then voluntarily remove their signature. For those that do not, well they will have implicitly (if they do not respond but show activity post receiving the PM) or explicitly (respond but refuse) acknowledged that they are aware of the scam and are still willing to advertise it. This would make the case of tagging them very trivial.

Please keep in mind that the action that I'm talking about can only be done once we have some sort of, majority of active-DT consensus. No member, regardless of status, can attest that this is unfair treatment/biased/etc. This very proposal goes completely against my own nature, the one that people are used to.