Quote from: PinkiePie on September 21, 2011, 03:19:12 AM

Again, if you are having sexual relations with men you are sinning. It's a sad example of cognitive distress that you are unable to come to terms with what I am telling you. You are free to disagree and take the wrong interpretation if you wish, but you will not change what God is telling you.

Sadder still that you can not tell me in your own words WHY I am sinning. God told you have having sex with someone of the same sex as you was sinning? He told me just the opposite. Perhaps that "sin" only applied to you? Or do you have something more concrete?

Quote from: PinkiePie on September 21, 2011, 03:19:12 AM

It's troubling that you took I reply I made to someone else and applied it to yourself automatically. It suggests your cognitive dissonance is again in action. Why did you assume your own situation was comparable to rape or theft?

It's troubling that when you wanted to give other examples of sin besides homosexuality, your fist thoughts were rape and theft. Why did you think that homosexuality belongs in the same category? And if it doesn't, what other types of sin that don't actually cause any harm can you think of to compare to homosexuality? Is wearing cotton-polyester mix a good comparable sin? Is you talking in church? What about you touching anyone while you're on your period?

Quote from: PinkiePie on September 21, 2011, 03:19:12 AM

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Frankly, I don't even remember the details of why Saul is so pissed at Jonathan.

I'm sorry if you don't like what the passage says, but it is what it is. It doesn't matter how you would like to remember it.

What the passage says is EXACTLY what I have proposed it says: Saul is angry at Jonathan because in Saul's eyes whatever Jonathan did was shameful, the result of his perverted mother, and brought shame on his mother's nakedness (whatever that means). Why are you avoiding the actual statement of that passage, trying to explain it with "But it's his MOTHER who was naked" when that was beside the point? Why are you avoiding all of my other questions too?

Quote from: PinkiePie on September 21, 2011, 03:19:12 AM

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You avoided the question, and, ironically, you were actually the one who simply repeated what was already being said there. So, let me bold it for you:
Why would Jonathan, upon meeting David for the fist time, give up his most prized possessions in a show of giving himself up to David's power? i.e. Those two never met before, and Jonathan just suddenly goes, "Oh, hi. Here's my stuff, and I'm giving my power over to you." Why? How are we supposed to understand his actions?

It must be very chaotic in your mind, as the truth tries to peak through and your perverted urges shut them down. As I said, it is a transference of official position in respect of David's great victory over Goliath. It is the respect of a soldier. Had you actually read the bible, instead of just googling for quotes to support your perversion at random, you may have been aware of that story and why the people, even aside from Jonathan, had such respect for David's reputation.

Fine, I'll concede you this one. Even though this passage happens AFTER David and Jonathan are back at Saul's house, and make a covenant with each other, I doubt anyone will budge. And for someone who is so quick to point out one's own piety and bible reading, you really don't strike me as someone who read it to understand it. It seems you just skimmed it for the words, and had someone else tell you what is meant, and which words are important.

Out of curiosity, just how much do you think this "perversion" or mine consumes me? By the way you talk to me, it seems as if you think my life, morning to dawn, is nothing but this homosex perverion.