Quote from: PinkiePie on September 21, 2011, 03:46:36 AM

Any crackpot on the street can come up with a grilled cheese with Mary on it, but the word of God in the Bible is eternal.

Eternal, maybe, but definitely not infallible, and definitely open to interpretation, as evidenced by the HUGE number of Christian sects. There are also tons of contradictions! (why did God add those in?)

Quote from: PinkiePie on September 21, 2011, 03:46:36 AM

Please restrain your anger and focus on the topics at hand. I was listing things that are unquestionably wrong and yet make some people happy, not listing sins. Why do you feel any mentions of rape and theft are about you? I think getting this off your chest could be very helpful for you.

Apologies then. It's just that there are A LOT of people comparing homosexuality to incest, bestiality, rape, pedophilia, etc. and list the things you listed in the same group of sins as homosexuality.

Quote from: PinkiePie on September 21, 2011, 03:46:36 AM

I have been a victim of rape, did some man do something like that to you? If that is why you ended up as disturbed as you are now, I can understand, but it's no excuse. You have to be responsible for your own actions.

No, no one raped me, or molested me, and I don't believe you. I think that, MAYBE, someone loved you, tried to share something with you, which you consented to and enjoyed, but later you were told by someone else that it was horrible, it was rape, that you were actually really hurt and should feel hurt and ashamed, and maybe you fell into a victim mentality because of it. Regardless, being raped is not an excuse for thinking that sex is perverted and sinful. I remember you saying something about "because you think you're so and so, everyone else must be more sinful than you are?"

Quote from: PinkiePie on September 21, 2011, 03:46:36 AM

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What the passage says is EXACTLY what I have proposed it says: Saul is angry at Jonathan because in Saul's eyes whatever Jonathan did was shameful, the result of his perverted mother, and brought shame on his mother's nakedness (whatever that means). Why are you avoiding the actual statement of that passage, trying to explain it with "But it's his MOTHER who was naked" when that was beside the point? Why are you avoiding all of my other questions too?

I don't think it's difficult to understand, how would you feel if your mother was naked in public? It's a way to say Saul was ashamed. There was no sexual content in the passage. In siding against his King and father he had brought shame to the family, much like anyone who pledged loyalty to someone outside their family.

There are other ways to say it though. Saul could have simply said that Jonathan has brought shame to the family, and that he is disgusted by him. No reason to bring in perversion, or nakedness thing. Note that there is nothing in there about the mother being naked in public, either. You're the one reading into things and trying to fit them here. I've already pointed out that the shame of someone's nakedness is used often in the old testament to refer to sexual sins. Also, this passage is not proof that Jonathan and David were actually doing anything sexual; just that Saul was also making his own assumptions on the matter. But feel free to reject it though.

Quote from: PinkiePie on September 21, 2011, 03:46:36 AM

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Fine, I'll concede you this one.

It's like it's been conceded that the sky is blue, I don't know what to tell you, read the actual book in context. It's about two good friends and political machinations, it's not one of your pornographic animal movies.

You think it's two good friends, I think it's two people very much in love. Nice to know that your opinion of my opinion of two people being in love is the same as "pornographic animal movies." Do you not see how disgustingly twisted your mind is for turning claims of love into "pornographic" "perversion?" Even if you say you're "ok with platonic love," it's obvious you are not, and if you come across it you'll be making the same baseless perverted assumptions.

Anyway, backing up for a moment, that was one quote from the new testament you mentioned. One that you didn't bother to contest regarding the "men having sex with men" referring to male prostitutes. Is that really all the new testament has to say on a grave sin like homosexuality? And, again, what about lesbianism? ANYTHING in the bible saying that's a sin?