Quote from: squatz1 on January 27, 2020, 07:24:53 PM

Well I guess I still have time to not be wrong. But at this point I'm going to be admitting that I was wrong here.

Honestly dude it was WAAAAY to early to make the call you did!!

Quote from: squatz1 on January 27, 2020, 07:24:53 PM

At this current point, Bernie does seem to be the frontrunner in all the states that he needs to come through in order to turn momentum the way that he needs. Obviously, none of this has happened yet and he still needs things to happen...

Things are all coming together for Bernie at the right time but the establishment is starting to freak out (hopefully to little to late!). The establishment will play every dirty trick they can to sink Bernie and it could work.

Quote from: squatz1 on January 27, 2020, 07:24:53 PM

I just don't think that traditional democrats are ready for him,

Working class dems that stayed home instead of voting for Hilary or voted for Trump and Gen X, Millenials and Gen Z overwhelmingly are ready and love him. Boomer neolibs not so much, if you look into the near future you can see the neoliberal support base shrinking (because old) while the younger generations grow. The reality of it is we are at the point where the neolibs are very vulnerable and the battle for control of the party is just starting. If Bernie can turn out The under 45 voters he can win and control of the party will start to shift left. The neolibs won't just give up but they will suffer a HUGE lose if Bernie wins the nomination. If the under 45 voters don't turn out and Biden or another Neolib wins the nom the party will be in full on civil war for a few more cycles and that will do nothing but help the GOP win presidential elections.

Trump is scared of Bernie because Bernie is "tough on trade" and he speaks to the forgotten working class in a way that neolibs like Biden and the rest can't.

Quote from: squatz1 on January 27, 2020, 07:24:53 PM

I don't think the party establishment is ready for him...

There not ready for him and they are terrified of him, they hate him (just ask HRC) he is a threat to their power and a threat to their donors.

Quote from: squatz1 on January 27, 2020, 07:24:53 PM

-- though I suppose that the same thing could've (and was) said of Donald Trump. When you sit down and think about it, their campaigns are actually similar in a way - they both are going for hostile takeovers of their respective parties (Trump more then Sanders on this one, but still) and they've both burned a ton of bridges within their party that would lead to many people in the House and Senate stepping down if they were to win (Many moderate republicans left office when Trump was elected, I expect the same for the Dems if Sanders is to win the presidency)

I agree there are many parallels between Trumps campaign and Bernies not the least of which is because their respective establishments hate them. It's almost like avg Americans on both sides of the aisle are sick and tired of corrupt establishment corporate politicians and as such populist candidates are popular eh??? Bernie speaks to the people on the left who are sick and tired of the corruption as did Trump all be it in very different messages lol.

Turnout, it all comes down to turnout and in a couple of days we get to see if Bernie can do what he says he can do and turn out the largest voting block in the USA (non voters).

Quote from: theymos on January 27, 2020, 09:53:17 PM

Can you imagine the chaos if Sanders wins a plurality of the delegates but loses the nomination?

What is interesting to me is that I don't think the neolibs understand how much of a problem this would be. One could make a reasonable argument that Bernie getting the nom "stolen" is the likely outcome. I don't think the establishment and their super delegates will think twice about voting Biden if a second round is needed because Bernie is a bigger threat to them than Trump is. If they do that it will disenfranchise are pretty large portion of their base for a long time, it will reaffirm their belief that corruption runs the democrats and all government and will help the GOP win presidential elections until another popular populist comes along for a second try.