Quote from: suchmoon on January 28, 2020, 12:11:36 PM

Forgot to make this thread self-moderated?

If you're not korner but are trying so hard to impersonate him - you deserve to be nuked all the same.

Edit: quoting because the dipshit is known to move his threads and replace them with something completely different.

Re: Ratimov and nutildah abuse of the trust system

Quote from: villain_Mr.Burns on January 28, 2020, 09:16:14 AM

Ratimov and nutildah without any reason, they left me a negative (red) trust.

https://imgur.com/NuG1MyG

Please be more specific in your statements. None of you have any reason to believe that.

You understand Russian well, don't you? It will not be difficult for you to read my topic and make the appropriate conclusion.

Quote from: Ratimov on January 28, 2020, 12:35:59 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on January 28, 2020, 12:11:36 PM

Forgot to make this thread self-moderated?
If you're not korner but are trying so hard to impersonate him - you deserve to be nuked all the same.

He's the one trying to be diverse. But it still turns out to be lousy.

His very first topic was also self-moderated shit. Cheesy

https://archive.ph/t4XYE

This is my very first thread and only one. You're lying again.

Why are they doing slander? Do you know what the conflict between us is?
Ratimov is engaged in useful activities to find cheaters, is engaged in filling content on the forum.
But this was not always the case.

His first topic on the forum Бeзyмнeйшaя мapжинaльнaя тopгoвля

When forum users asked for evidence of his activities, Ratimov was very angry and started swearing and insulting them.

To this day, it has not provided any evidence of its margin trading. He still leads this thread.

There is a similar topic on another forum https://forum.bits.media/index.php?/topic/150020-бeзyмнeйшaя-мapжинaльнaя-тopгoвля/
Бeзyмнeйшaя мapжинaльнaя тopгoвля!!!

There, he deleted all his posts, calling the topic irrelevant.

Having abandoned his attempts to somehow attract his attention to his topic about margin trading, he repurposed as a seeker for sellers of forum accounts.

Guide from theymos ฿ratings and flags฿

Quote from: theymos on January 30, 2020, 09:13:15 PM

LoyceV's guide seems reasonable.

The system is for handling trade risk, not for flagging people for good/bad posts/personalities/ideas.

In part, the idea of the system is to organically build up & enforce a community consensus on appropriate trading behavior. However, those parts of the consensus which have less agreement should be more difficult to apply than those parts which have widespread agreement, and also subject to change. Everyone agrees that if Alice promises Bob 1 BTC for $8000 and doesn't pay it, that warrants flags & ratings, and it should be very easy to create these flags and ratings. If Alice promotes something without disclosing that she was paid to do so, and the thing later turns out to be a scam, then 65% of the community will call this highly shady behavior, and 35% will call it not a contractual violation and therefore more-or-less fine; it may be possible to make flags and/or ratings stick, but the people doing so should feel as though they are on less solid ground, and maybe the community consensus on this will shift against them (depending on the exact facts of the case, politicking by interested parties, etc.). I refuse to set down a single "correct" philosophy on ethical behavior, since this would permanently divide & diminish the community, and I am not such a wise philosopher that I feel the moral authority to do so.

For ratings and type-1 flags, proactive scam-hunting is good! But as explained above, if you're acting near the edge of community consensus, it should be more difficult. If the community is not overwhelmingly behind you on your scam hunting, then it's probably going to end up creating more drama, division, paranoia, and tribalism than the possible scam-avoidance benefit is worth.

Ratings

- Leave positive ratings if you actively think that trading with this person is safer than with a random person.
- Leave negative ratings if you actively think that trading with the person is less safe than with a random person.
- Unstable behavior could very occasionally be an acceptable reason for leaving negative trust, but if it looks like you're leaving negative trust due to personal disagreements, then that's inappropriate. Ratings are not for popularity contests, virtue signalling, punishing people for your idea of wrongthink, etc.
- Post-flags, ratings have less impact. It's only an orange number. Some amount of "leave ratings first, ask questions later" may be OK. For example, if you thought that YoBit was a serious ongoing scam, the promotion of which was extremely problematic, then it'd be a sane use of the system to immediately leave negative trust for everyone wearing a YoBit signature. (I don't necessarily endorse this viewpoint or this action: various parts of the issue are highly subjective. But while I wouldn't blame people for excluding someone who did this, I wouldn't call it an abuse of the system.)
- Exercise a lot of forgiveness. People shouldn't be "permanently branded" as a result of small mistakes from which we've all moved past. Oftentimes, people get a rating due to unknowingly acting a bit outside of the community's consensus on appropriate behavior, and such ratings may indeed be appropriate. But if they correct the problem and don't seem likely to do it again, remove the rating or replace it with a neutral. Even if someone refuses to agree with the community consensus (ie. they refuse to back down philosophically), if they're willing to refrain from the behavior, their philosophical difference should not be used to justify a rating. For example, in the YoBit mass-ratings example above, ratings should be immediately removed after the person removes the signature, even if they maintain and continue to argue that they didn't do anything wrong. If someone agrees to "follow 'the law' without agreeing to it", that should be enough.

Flags

- Use flags only for very serious and clear-cut things. They're an expression of ostracizing someone from the community due to serious, provable misconduct or really obvious red flags.
- Use type-1 flags when the message which will be shown to newbies/guests is appropriate: "the creator of this topic displays some red flags which make them high-risk. [...] you should proceed with extreme caution."
- Use type-2 and type-3 flags only if the person is absolutely guilty of contractual violations. Imagine a legal system in which there is no law but contract law, and consider if this person would owe damages.

Trust lists

- If you find someone who has sent accurate trust actions and has no inaccurate/inappropriate trust actions, add them to your trust list. Inclusion in trust lists is a more a mark of useful contributions than your trust in them, though at least a little trust is necessary.
- If you think that someone is not using the trust system appropriately, or if you disagree with some of their subjective determinations, exclude them from your trust list. If bad outcomes happen in DT, this is partly the fault/responsibility of: the bad actors themselves; DT1 who include the bad-actors; DT1 who don't exclude the bad-actors; DT1 who include or don't exclude failing DT1; anyone else who includes failing DT1. While it's best to spend some time trying to fix things at the lower levels before escalating it, it's reasonable to complain to any of those people, as I did regarding Lauda that one time, for example. (Of course, the system itself is probably also imperfect, and that's on me.)

Do not distort the system, but use it for its intended purpose!