Quote from: Viper1 on February 01, 2020, 03:52:07 AM

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There would never be any impeachment if you assumed the other side isn't going to change their mind. As I said previously, this impeachment was far too short. There wasn't enough time for the public to really get engaged (which is where the 2/3 could come from, if we still would like to think the Senate would listen to the voters as opposed to being on their knees worshiping their King) let along all the witness/document issues. But sure, there's always a variety of motives and if you view them as the enemy it's natural to attribute everything to ulterior motives. Doesn't make it true.

The bottom line is that the "base" of the Dems have wanted Trump impeached from day one. I was impressed that they held out so long frankly. So I see things a bit differently. The only "ulterior" motive I think that has any potential validity is that it was due to one of their own, i.e. Biden, being involved. Everything else is just politics as usual.

One of the "bases", yeah, we all heard that agiprop from the beginning. We all knew they didn't care about what he was impeached for, they just wanted him impeached.

But no rational person looking at all these would have thought the 2/3 was going to be achieved. None. So it's only rational to look for other reasons, such as what I have suggested, free publicity and getting their faces on the TV. Schiff likely things he's an important guy, someone who could go places ... now.

Quote from: Viper1 on February 01, 2020, 04:03:14 AM

Quote from: Spendulus on February 01, 2020, 02:13:12 AM

"Trump bad orange man" meme.

I'm curious. How is that any different than the years of "Obama, bad black man" that the right did for years (and many still do)? The right mocks the left for the whole orange man bad thing. But they had, and many still do, Clinton derangement syndrome. When it comes to climate change the amount of Gore derangement syndrome I see is staggering. And there was a whole lot of Obama derangement syndrome.. So how is the current climate any different.. it just flips back and forth now and has really become meaningless as some sort of attempt at mocking those people one deems of having that sort of syndrome.

You're asking the wrong guy, because I never considered Obama black. He was half black.

A great saying is "History doesn't repeat itself, it rhymes."

There were so many objectionable things to the Obama years, I don't know where to start there. How about his weaponizing the IRS? Gun running to Mexican gangs? "Kinetic action" in Syria?

But now you have one false narrative after another for 3 1/2 years, all designed to get Trump out of office.

Those are NOT EXACTLY SIMILAR HISTORIES.