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The reasonable reason to think that Flynn was "entrapped" is because

In what way did they entrap him?

Here is a general article on the matter. Note McCabe and Strzuk's involvement.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-flynn-entrapment-11544658915

Do you have a way past the paywall? Disabling JS doesn't work for that one.
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Found some other ones.

So I don't see it. One of the articles I read, despite the message clearly being that he was entrapped, actually pointed out that it appeared all legal. So if it was legal, then in what way was he entrapped?

He's an old guy. He has a ton of life experience. He's been around the block a few times. Even I know it's illegal to do that. And then when it came down to it he said he knew it was illegal to lie to them but did it anyway. He took personal responsibility for his actions. So what's the issue?

If people want to bitch about the law and say it's too broad and gives them too much leeway and the like, then fine. Argue that. That's a valid point and seems correct. But then don't cry about law enforcement doing what they're permitted to do. It's the fault of the politicians for writing crap laws. Put the blame where it belongs. Cause crying about the FBI won't change a damn thing. Bitching about the law to your representatives might if enough do it.

Although you can call it whatever you want, the most common word used to describe what happened to Flynn is "entrapment." I am curious, why would you want to argue about this now? I mean, think about it. These are events from 2016. The beginning of the hunt for the Russians under the bed. The article is from 2018. Today is 2020 and Flynn is likely to see the entire case against him thrown out. And in the four years, people directly involved in the Flynn interview and write-up - Strzok and McCabe - fired. In fair part for their handling of this exact case.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/fbis-entrapment-of-general-flynn-was-despicable

FBI's entrapment of Gen. Flynn was despicable
by Quin Hillyer
| December 14, 2018 01:48 PM

Investigators into Russian attempts to subvert American democracy grievously mistreated Gen. Michael Flynn, now convicted of perjury related to the investigation. Some of the prosecutors should themselves face professional punishment for their misbehavior.

As this sites resident defender of special counsel Robert Mueller, I am obligated to insist that the investigators themselves uphold the same standards they would apply to others. Without excusing Flynns lies to investigators, a fair-minded observer can call foul on an obviously unfair, and perhaps unlawful, perjury trap.

Federal district judge Emmet Sullivan likewise seems quite perturbed by the latest information about the Flynn case. With Flynns sentencing imminent, Sullivan suddenly ordered prosecutors to produce any existent memoranda regarding their conduct of the interview in which Flynn lied.
And for good reason. The investigators treatment of Flynn, as described in a memo filed with the court by Flynns lawyers, looks like a textbook case of unethical entrapment.

The interview was set up directly via a phone call to Flynn from Andrew McCabe, who then was deputy director of the FBI. McCabe, by his own account, made it sound like an ordinary national-security-related briefing of the sort Flynn was accustomed to giving the FBI. Even though McCabe clearly knew that Flynn was a potential subject of investigation, he deliberately dissuaded Flynn from having attorneys present.
Moreover, when the agents arrived, they and Flynn both treated the meeting as rather informal, even jocular, and the agents did not provide General Flynn with a warning of the penalties for making a false statement before, during, or after the interview. The agents decision not to so inform Flynn was made at the direct behest of McCabe because they wanted Flynn to be relaxed.
This is an absolute outrage.

Granted, its not certain that the ordinary requirement for a Miranda warning were applicable in this situation because Flynn had not been detained by, nor was in the custody of, law enforcement. Yet in commonsense terms, what McCabe and his agents did was obviously entrapment. It may even have crossed the official legal line of entrapment to the effect that Flynns conviction might be thrown out. At first perusal, it appears to have done so.

Lets be clear what this FBI perfidy does and doesnt mean. First, it does not have any bearing on Muellers conduct of the investigation: The interview with Flynn occurred months before Mueller was appointed. And Mueller, pleased with Flynns cooperation, has recommended no jail time for the general. Flynns case is only a small part of Muellers overall investigation, which has been conducted by the book (as the expression goes). Second, it does nothing to invalidate, or make legally unusable, any other information Flynn provided Muellers team while cooperating. If Flynn provided evidence implicating others in misdeeds, that evidence is still good.

Third, though, this entrapment provides even more reason for McCabe himself to be investigated for wrongdoing. Again and again, it has been shown that McCabe acted not as the impartial enforcer of justice that a top FBI official should be, but rather as a partisan or ideological hack against conservatives in general or against Trumps team in particular.
Fourth and finally, this might remove the status of felon from Flynns permanent record. A man with a distinguished military career, whose lie did not involve conduct that in itself was criminal and was less self-protective than it was a matter of political ham-handedness, perhaps merits some slack anyway. His reputation already has suffered; must his legal status also be permanently scarred?

Either way, McCabes behavior here appears shameful, well deserving of fierce condemnation.