Quote from: qwertyup23 on February 04, 2020, 10:21:27 PM

First, how did your family react when they found out that you using gambling as your profession and main source of income?
Second, was there any point in your gambling life that you almost quitted this profession due to its risky and unpredictable stream of income?
Lastly, are there any advice that you would like to say to gamblers who aspire to use it as their main profession?

First question answered here and third question answered here. I should maybe add some kind of glossary to the first post and I put it on my to-do list now.

For your second question: Not really. This unpredictableness (and with it not being able to plan anything longterm) is really annoying, I can unequivocally confess that. I am always a bit jealous of people, that regularly get their paycheck at the end of the month, can pay for everything with that money and all they have to do, is go to work five times a week. But they give up a good amount of their life and freedom for it, so in that regard I am then not jealous anymore.
During a heavy losing streak, thoughts of quitting and getting rid of the pressure go through your mind, but in the end it is what you love to do and hard work really pays off in betting. These thoughts vanish and vanished pretty fast in the end.

Quote from: bitmover on February 04, 2020, 11:29:19 PM

People are freely giving you money just to have some fun. They are playing a game , which they will probably lose because they are amateurs, but they are fine with that.

Adding to society is maybe more of a philosophical topic in the end, but I have to disagree with this part. Because not everyone is giving me that money freely. Recreational players know that this is just another hobby that costs some money like so many other hobbies do and more importantly they know when to stop. I don't have any numbers, but I think a huge amount of my money actually comes from addicted players and for these people gambling is no hobby anymore but a sickness. They don't play for fun and know they will most likely lose, they HAVE to play to feed their addiction. And while going after their addiction, they might feel some satisfaction, but every other moment, they are "not fine with that". So taking advantage of fun players is fine with me, taking advantage of other peoples sickness not so much. But what can you do. You will never know, since you don't see from whom that money actually comes and I am glad it is like that.

Quote from: bitmover on February 04, 2020, 11:29:19 PM

Do you have plans for you retirement?

I don't plan my retirement in regards to gambling, why should I, it's fun Wink

Everybody better have a hobby, especially when you are retired. Just going to doctors and watching TV is not what I plan when I am old. I can imagine myself still betting with like 80, if still alive, because I love it.

Your question was probably more directed towards me retiring and doing things rich people do, because I got financially independent with my winnings from betting. I don't think I will ever be able to make (such) a fortune with betting and retire from "being a pro". As stated in the OP, I am no highroller and never was. And I have to regularly withdraw money to pay for my expenses, so compounding is not always easy (to up my stakes then accordingly). And it's the same for the people in my network. They maybe bought a little house, a little flat or a nice car, but other than that, they are not able to throw money around, but have a good income with a job they love.

The biggest misconception is really, that everyone thinks, pro gamblers are always filthy rich. And I have no idea where this illusion comes from tbh - these poker pros you see in TV are not the norm. There are basically no limits on how much you can earn with pro gambling, but there is also no limits on how much you can lose (well, when you are broke). Making your money with betting really isn't an easy task and there is lots of obstacles. And the golden times in betting are over, because the markets have matured so much. Lots of pro betting people are struggling nowadays. The longer a market exists, the more perfect it gets.

In big markets, where you can stake a lot of money, you only have a very little edge, if any. You will probably operate with a yield of 1.5% at best. So you would first have to turn over 1,000,000 to make 15,000. And all that with a proper money management.
In my cycling/winter sports days, I operated with 20-30% yield, but I could only stake peanuts compared to what you can stake in the big markets. So getting a huge turnover is not possible, you operate with a higher yield then and compensate the lower turnover with it. Being successful in these markets then leads to limits and you being shown the door.

I will take any bet, that I rather will (have to) quit betting at some point than becoming a millionaire with it.

Quote from: bitmover on February 04, 2020, 11:29:19 PM

Would it be possible to save for retirement and to grow kids in your gambling style and strategy?

I skipped the questions about the kids, since I don't want to talk about that in public, sorry Wink

Well, the strategy is clear and can be found in this thread and all over the internet - value. So the basics everyone has to get familiar with on their own. As to my gambling style, my knowledge about certain sports and their dynamics, money management, tips and tricks, I am willing to share that with everyone, who wants to give it a try with pro betting. But people have to understand, that THEY have to do most of the work. I was always a fan of "learning by doing" and some lessons are only learned by doing (mistakes). I won't - and actually can't - give them a golden recipe and a rule book and they will be successful. You have to learn that from scratch and also find your own way, since my way might not suit them. So being kind of a mentor to someone only works to a certain extent.