Quote from: JaredKaragen on February 08, 2020, 04:25:19 AM

~~I will leave it to Vod to substantiate the claim from Theymos;~~ *edit, thanks nut*
and the reason for your initial removal from DT is still unanswered.... I don't know that history.

I appreciate your answer, can you tell me if there is post history between you and these persons I could easily look up to verify it? around what dates should I look for those posts? (helps narrow it down when I go to look, unless you link me)
These are my thoughts. thus far..... need more information^^^

Thank you for the respect; it goes a long way.

Any claims of discourse in the form of PM's; well.... idk how to approach that as its in the realm of "manipulable" in my book, so it doesn't carry much weight of evidence unless an admin verifies it. (no way to be in cahoots with another party when its archived public, or admin verified private data)

Yeah I remember all the stuff going on in the turkish board bleeding into meta as well;

I did open my mouth in a few threads with some accusations based on merit abuse and gave my opinion, then later on some based on DT abuse, and several of the accused were Turkish members whom have banned alts.... yet were(are?) on DT using an alt when they should be excommunicated/expunged... I remember looking at them and on at least 4 of them: the evidence was solid against the accused.
so....
It was a sticky situation [as it is developing to be right about this sentence], and my main commenting in those threads was focused on how insane and misplaced many of the words from wolwoo were... he was straight up defending obvious ban evaders using this logic; "they are turkish that you accuse and everyone is attacking turkish", not acknowledging the truth of the facts presented by the accuser of x situation (there were over 6). To wolwoo the facts be damned, he wanted to be able to spread merit and be on DT.... and have us be ok with attacking people in a very extreme manner just for something as simple as questioning the motive of his actions/words in the slightest.

There were many things going on right at that same time....

*edit* thanks nutildah. Well taken. I carry his sentiment, backed up by my statements on wolwoo. Doesn't mean im against him, its just, not in a position of power with that loose of a "verbal grounds" so to speak. To each their own, but the greater part of society can't stand it from what I have seen over the years.

Still most curious as to how you lost DT the first time Tecshare? (were you ever on DT? i don't wanna assume anything at this point) It does add to the scope of all of this and is 100% necessary info.

I explained myself. Can you explain why you think the burden of proof should be on me to prove my innocence and not Vod and friends to prove my guilt? I don't find it productive to persue this line of questioning because it was intentionally designed to be something murky and unable to be substantiated in the hope that I would never be able to prove my innocence to anyone's satisfaction. They are making claims about my intent and character I have by design no way of proving. Requiring me to some how prove what happened in my mind is asinine.

Just because they have a story in their head they want to spread in no way means there aren't tons of very legitimate reasons why I did what I did. I shouldn't have to defend myself from every concoction people lob at me based on nothing but creative writing skills and suspicion. As you can see the same group of people making the accusations there are here attempting to maintain their fictional narrative in a sad attempt at using the trust system as a tool of retribution for not agreeing with them.

I was originally removed from the default trust (back when it was centralized) as detailed here. It was all based on a single rating I left for a user, who later turned out to be running a fraudulent charity. This is the event that caused many of the current posse of antagonists such as Vod to target me. I pointed out how the rules are arbitrarily enforced and how he does far more than I ever did on a regular basis as far as what they called abuse, he didn't like it, and began a years long effort to utilize the trust system to fight his petty vendettas. My reputability as far as trade was never once in question, this was all a targeted attack from day one.

I would also remind you, that Theymos no longer excludes me, but he does in fact exclude Vod. If the fact Theymos didn't want me on default trust 6 years ago is relevant, then surely it is just as relevant that he doesn't want Vod on the default trust currently.