Quote from: TwitchySeal on February 10, 2020, 03:32:12 AM

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Quote from: TECSHARE on February 09, 2020, 04:50:07 AM

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If Theymos is the ultimate arbiter of truth in your mind, he clearly is at least indifferent to my participation in the trust system, and judged Vod's use of it invalid based on his exclusion.

Again, none of this addresses the baseless nature of Vods accusations against me, or his well documented history of abusing the trust system against myself and others on the forum.

In my mind: I do not know; then again, my words don't carry any "weight" past what they are.... I only think they are as honest and clear as they can be.

Theymos created/arbitrated the rules and procedures..... yes? This seems pretty solid from a logical standpoint.

Theymos created the new trust system to help separate himself from arbitration type things.... (This is the gist of what I remember reading in his thread, correct me if I am wrong)

So... Assuming my statement in the sentence above is correct, where do we go from here since the new system was created for him to release those powers to the trusted among us?

As I said from the very first post of this OP, there is another set of rules for Vod on this forum and he is allowed to abuse people freely on a regular basis, using the forum's systems as his personal weapon, something others are punished harshly for. This is why I have been advocating so vocally for "rule of law", IE a standard of evidence of theft, violation of contractual agreement, or violation of applicable laws, before rating, because rule of law is what protects the rights of the individual. For example the USA is a republic, because it preserves the right of the individual within a Democracy. In a pure democracy, all you have is pure mob "justice", and it is a popularity contest not a matter of fact. What this forum is, is mob justice with no protection for the individual. The mob simply votes the individuals rights away. I really don't think this is what Theymos intended even if it is what resulted.

I have to ask you, in your reviews of any of this material, were you able to find substantiation to ANY of Vod's ratings against me? I know for a fact several users don't agree with his behavior, they simply won't speak up for fear of being the next target of Vod and people like Vod. Anyone with any reputation is too fearful to lose it to speak out, anyone without one is easily dismissed. That said, it makes your participation here more important as the rest of the forum is more concerned with their own personal interests.

His lack of substantiation is important, because it is a pattern he has been exhibiting for years that clearly demonstrates his motivations are not to protect people from fraud, but to use the system to serve his own personal vendettas. I have been advocating people exclude Vod from the default trust for his years long pattern of disregarding the rules of the forum trust to fight his petty squabbles, but this forum seems more interested in who is popular and protecting their own ass than the actual viability of the forums systems. After all, if people are only punished by rules, and not protected by them, historically what happens to those systems of governments? They fail. Horribly and spectacularly.

Try to look at the situation objectively.

If Vod never negged you, but he negged someone you didn't like for the exact same reason (like me, for example), would you be as outraged?

The answer is no.

You aren't upset because the system is unfair or rigged. You're upset because you got negged and booted from DT1. This is about you. You feel like a victim, and all these threads are just your way of retaliating. But you're just making it worse for yourself.

This is an incredibly strange take on the situation.

The neg was either valid or it was invalid. There is no question that giving a neg or red mark to a member with a flawless 8 year long trading history devalues the trust system.

His increased level of interest or effort employed that you speculate is due to self preservation is irrelevant and a red herring.

I do not believe it is viable to expect admin intervention for each default trust member with a personal grudge. So manual removal is a temporary patch.

Removal of VOD is not going to make much difference when considering the long term benefits of this forum.

I would recommend leaving aside personal grievances and focus upon having the old tagging system removed.

Remove the opportunity to abuse from the trust system and set the entire forum free from abuse such as you have experienced.

If you have serious examples of abuse / failures of the red tagging system they should be compiled and arranged to present a persuasive case to theymos. There is an exceedingly strong case to abolish it.

VOD does not appear to be a significant abuser when compared to some other members. He seems far less active than in previous years.