Quote from: hilariousetc on February 11, 2020, 11:32:39 AM

Quote from: truth or dare on February 10, 2020, 08:58:21 PM

I have been reading this forum sporadically for 9 years. Recently I wish to prevent what I view as a move to discredit this forum. Personal vendettas accrued over years of petty squabbling is ruining this forum.

I wouldn't go as far to say it's ruining the forum and their are bigger issues here than beefs, but isn't it then better that people are trying to put their petty squabbling behind them? I only hope more people will put their disagreements aside and move on. People should have never been using the feedback system to wage these battles in the first place though but I still think people should be able to use the feedback system to comment on trustworthiness but neutrals are often much better unless there is strong suspicion or evidence of bad behaviour.

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on February 10, 2020, 08:48:18 PM

His posts are relatively to the point, there aren't any randomly capitalized words, and he has gone more than 2 posts without throwing out any childish insults. He's obviously an alt, but I don't think it's CH/TOAA on this occasion.

I think there's a fair few similarities but obviously too early to tell right now and could just be coincidences. I think if CH/TOAA was going to re-appear on a new account though he'd likely try hide the fact as best as he could.

Quote from: eddie13 on February 11, 2020, 01:00:37 AM

Removing long standing red tags in trade (I remove, you remove) does seem like a bit of an admission that the tags were probably just personal bullshit the entire time..

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It's pretty obvious that's what they were fueled by. It's hard to look objectively at this when the people involved really disliked each other and were just looking for things to try drag the other party down and that's what this was but I'm glad they've called a truce. Threads like this though just seem to be trying to stoke up more drama for something that should just be buried.

Petty squabbles would not reach to scamming, attempted extortion, and such behaviors. These types of behaviors should not be buried for the sake of more cordial relationships between members that have been adamant for years and standing behind their evidence presented to the board.

The red trust removal bartering is disturbing.

The specific individuals prior scamming actions are not as concerning as the trust system being used as a tool for leverage and manipulation, to prevent and discourage people speaking out.

Red tags serve no additional purpose. They are the Achilles heel of this forum going forward. Let's get them removed.

Members still appear to be approaching this from a what-is-best-for-red-trusted-scammers pov. We should be approaching this from the what is best for protecting honest members from financially dangerous individuals.

If they were not serious, as you are suggesting, and were using the trust system for their own personal vendettas then again they were abusing the trust system, devaluing and misleading honest members. This is yet another reason to remove the subjectivity that permits this abuse and leverage / manipulation.

Having looked at both sets of claims. Both seem compelling but quickseller's actions look far less dangerous and ruthless. Of course now that he is willing to sweep this under the carpet for his own selfish gain, the margin between them had narrowed.

Either way this is dishonest, self serving and dangerous for honest members. Red trust should be removed immediately. Only those that enjoy having this abusive weapon are pushing to retain it.

There is no member producing a valid reason to retain Red tagging now that we have the flags, so let's have it removed.