Quote from: Luqueasaur on February 17, 2020, 10:25:06 PM

Quote from: BADecker on February 17, 2020, 10:08:44 PM

Quote from: Luqueasaur on February 17, 2020, 07:57:32 PM

Since there's a fat discussion regarding homeopathy around here, can someone explain me what are the basis for that sort of stuff? It is essentially placebo, does it use some "natural alternatives to medicine" (i.e. herbal plants with scientifically proven efficiency), is it more like the esoteric bullshit I saw on TV once of an ex-homeopathy vendor trying to infuse her olive plantations with positive energy by burying some random crap, or neither?

When Monsanto first made and tested Roundup, they tested only tiny amounts on plants they were trying to kill off. The plants grew better than ever until Monsanto increased the amounts they used.

What works for some might not work for others.

There is placebo effect in everything. Placebo works negatively as well as positively. Tell a person he has cancer or CV, and he just might get it because he believes you.

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Sure, but there's a complete difference between placebo as a collateral effect and placebo as the main healing factor of a medicine.

Right. All medicines are essentially poisons in small enough amounts (usually) to not kill. All they do is elicit an immune system action of the kind that overcomes the problem.

Sometimes placebo action is enough to elicit such an immune system action. But, we simply don't have any way of measuring whether or not medicine is causing a placebo effect via the subconscios or not... placebo effect that does the majority of the healing. If it is really placebo effect in all of it, medicine might be the least of the healing methods around. What we would need is something that causes faith in people.

Remember, multitudes of people die in hospitals, and many under other medical care. It might be placebo effect loss of faith in the doctor, or it might be placebo effect faith in the negative statements of the doctor.

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