Quote from: Flying Hellfish on February 21, 2020, 05:30:32 AM

I think the biggest part of the debate last night is something the msm isn't covering too much. The 5 candidates who all said they would be OK with taking the nom away from the person with a plurality of delegates. No rational person that thinks they will have the plurality would say yes to that question, they all know full well (except Bernie of course) they are not getting to Milwaukee with a plurality or they would be like FUCK NO of course the person with a plurality should win it. The stench of panic from the establishment and the msm is over powering, if they steal the nom by giving it to some one without the plurality they risk a generation of young democrats (Millenials and Zoomers) being disenfranchised and the US will have GOP presidents for the foreseeable future... Imagine trying to sell this shit burger (and the msm will try to sell it ALL DAY LONG) "The person with the most delegates shouldn't be the nominee so we will give it to the person that LESS people wanted and has less delegates. Voters will swallow some pretty big shit burgers but that one seems like a bridge to far with Millenials and Zoomers!

As I said in an early post if there is one organization stupid enough to not see this (or ignore it) it is without a doubt the DNC. Or perhaps they do see it and absolutely don't give a fuck as Trump is better than Bernie for the neolibs

I think this part was to be expected. The people who aren't the frontrunners (by a long shot) are going to support a brokered convention taking things away from the frontrunner. Is it bullshit and undemocratic? Yes. But is that what the DNC is going to try to do? Yes.

Don't forget folks, the DNC STILL HAS superdelagates -- they're just only allowed to vote if no one wins on first ballot. That means that 750 (somewhere in this realm) delegates could vote on the 2nd ballot to steal the nomination from the frontrunner, presumably Bernie.

Quote from: DireWolfM14 on February 23, 2020, 11:36:34 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on February 23, 2020, 09:50:43 PM

Bernie has dominated Nevada - nearly 50% albeit still counting. Whatever DNC conspiracy might be going on it doesn't look very successful so far. Biden in distant second place with ~20% and Pete (third) is complaining about "irregularities".

But will the DNC give him their nomination? I don't know that they have to, regardless of whether he wins the majority of votes or not. Anyway it was surprising to see Biden take second, albeit a distant second. It'll definitely be interesting to see what happens on super Tuesday.

Interesting thing I noticed while looking up the results on google; as the graphic below shows 60% tally is in, but only 7,652 people voted in the Democratic primary, which seems rather low. I don't know if they mean 60% of the counties have reported, and Clark County (Nevada's most populous by a large margin) might not be among them?

I'm pretty sure most delegates are forced to vote for their candidate on the first ballot (if their candidate is still running that is) So that's not something they can pull on first ballot, but on second ballot it can be done with ease. Campaigns can use backdoor deals to gain the delegates they need.

Quote from: theymos on February 21, 2020, 10:09:46 PM

Quote from: Flying Hellfish on February 21, 2020, 05:30:32 AM

The stench of panic from the establishment and the msm is over powering, if they steal the nom by giving it to some one without the plurality they risk a generation of young democrats (Millenials and Zoomers) being disenfranchised and the US will have GOP presidents for the foreseeable future... Imagine trying to sell this shit burger (and the msm will try to sell it ALL DAY LONG) "The person with the most delegates shouldn't be the nominee so we will give it to the person that LESS people wanted and has less delegates. Voters will swallow some pretty big shit burgers but that one seems like a bridge to far with Millenials and Zoomers!

That's what I'm hoping for.

In my early teens (under G.W. Bush), I was very supportive of the Democrats. Partly this was because I was an idiot at the time, but partly it was for good reasons: the Democrats were pro-civil-liberties, pro-free-speech, anti-war, etc. The Democrats of that era at least gave the perception of "live and let live" (+ various welfare programs). Now, though, the Democrats have basically become the same as the religious, control-everyone's-lives neocons of the Dubya era, but with a weird "woke" religion replacing Christian fundamentalism. They are pro-war, authoritarian, anti-free-speech, supportive of the out-of-control semi-dictatorial administrative state, etc. I don't like the Republicans, but at least they have a bit of a pro-freedom philosophy buried somewhere within them. The Democrats on the other hand have become completely worthless from my perspective.

If the nomination is stolen from Bernie, then the Democratic party will implode. Nature abhors a vacuum, though, and we will not see the Republicans win every single race from now until the end of time. Instead, in 4-8 years we will hopefully see a completely changed Democratic party, and I'm hoping that this will be a more worthwhile one. Probably it won't be one that I particularly approve of, and maybe it'll be even worse than now, but I'd like to roll those dice and hope for an improvement.

(I also just enjoy seeing chaos in government/politics...)

I wouldn't say the party would implode, but it would be the best time for a third political party to pick up some of the voters from the Bernie coalition. I know there'd be riots in the streets if this was the case, but I personally can't see an entire party going down for this -- the DNC is still huge and hugely powerful.

Don't we all enjoy seeing a bit of chaos.