Quote from: marlboroza on February 22, 2020, 12:14:36 AM

Quote from: truth or dare on February 22, 2020, 12:09:06 AM

Quote from: marlboroza on February 21, 2020, 11:36:26 PM

Quote from: truth or dare on February 21, 2020, 11:28:42 PM

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So you agree with TECSHARE's guild but you don't agree with TECSHARE's guild?

I agree with the core points and a support his efforts to push for transparent objective standards which Will remove the damaging list of insoluble problems

In general tecshare is an honest and reputable member, who has demonstrated he Will risk his own neck to speak up and defend others and continue pushing for objective transparent standards. It is a shame to see the ruthless attempt to bully him into submission.

I support the guild. I support transparent objective standards. The lists are of secondary importance.

It seems you don't, lists are very important because they are in conflict with this guild.

The lists are not an insurmountable problem for me, I can use those lists but don't consider them important once tagging is abolished and we are moved on to the objective flagging system. I'm onboard with the guild.

Do you marlboroza support moving entirely over to a flagging system where warnings are created according to an objective standard, which increases the credibility, accuracy and value of warnings in relation too scammers, those attempting to scam or are setting up a scam? or where there is objective independently verifiable evidence of members being placed in direct financial danger ?
Whilst of course removing the list of damaging insoluble problems that the subjective tagging system generates.

Or have you a credible and robust argument that demonstrates retaining the subjective tagging system is net positive for this forum?

I wonder if malboroza can provide a sensible answer? I'm sure if you want to support the core principles of providing warnings based on objective standards you would be given an opportunity to redeem any previous trust abuse that you "have" engaged in.

o_e_l_e_o I don't think tecshare realized that you are open to adopting an objective standard so long as it affords the opportunity to produce an objective warning that members are being placed or are being requested to place themselves in direct financial danger.

These insoluble problems or lack thereof

* members are treated equally and with consistency

* free speech is not destroyed under threat of undeserving red tags for voicing an unpopular opinion

* high level scammers on DT can not make red tagging removal deals

* to make sure people are not afraid to bring to light scams where the scammer can ruin their account with red trust

* prevent all the infighting a contued contempt for the abused trust system

* prevent red tags destroying competing legit business or destroy legit completion for sig spots

* preventing dilution and devaluing legitimate direct example of financially motivated wrong doing with warnings about
lemonade, daring to whistle blow on scamming or swearing at someone

are undeniable. I don't expect that anyone could present an argument to refute any single one of them is not a insoluble problem with an entirely subjective tagging system such as it is. Proving that red tagging for voicing 0

So far I have noticed that you have been prepared to debate the positives and negatives and have been reasonable. This is how each member should be willing to engage.

I would agree that if it there is strong or even undeniable evidence ( such as priv keys being requested ) then a warning saying this member has engaged in behaviors that placing others in direct financial danger an could be an attempted scam attempt is sensible. If that kind of warning can be given without generating all of the insoluble problems a totally subjective tagging system does then why not provide such a warning.

No point creating a huge chasm between two goals that are closely aligned at the core.

I would include o_e_l_e_o based on his stated view on how the trust system should be used. I mean he may not wish to join this guild anyway, but based on what he is saying then I would see him as a suitable include

Long term for every member actions will be loaded than words.

I would recommend that every member that has been tagged for behaviors that are nothing to do with scamming, attempting to scam nor strongly appear to be setting up a scam should be directed to this guild.