Quote from: Flying Hellfish on February 24, 2020, 01:31:53 PM

Quote from: squatz1 on February 24, 2020, 03:50:16 AM

I never thought I'd be saying this (Flying Hellfish knows this is true) but currently, Bernie Sanders who is an independent, is the frontrunner to be the Dem nominee in 2020. Not something I imagined would happen with someone who self identifies as a Democratic Socialist, but it's where we're at today.

I still think that the DNC is going to fight tooth and nail to steal this one from Bernie. I have a few theories on how this is going to be done. Obviously all of this is given that Bernie doesn't have a majority of the delegates (1996 delegates, something around that) at the time of the convention:

1. The Moderates Band Together - Not sure who would be the to lead this coalition. But this is pretty much the line of thinking that Pete, Klobuchar, Bloomberg, and Biden all work together in someway to win the nomination. If they all pooled their polling numbers together, they'd be a true formidable foe to Bernie. They could even keep running at the moment and try to pick up as many delegates as they can, using their delegates on one another.

I love this talking point! If only elections and voters worked like this. You would think that after all the years and after 2016 the MSM would finally understand that the "lanes" theory doesn't work. Everyone kept saying the moderate gop candidates should drop out to coalesce around 1 candidate to beat trump. What happened was when those morons dropped out Trump scooped up a big enough part of them to crush even more! Voters are not ideologically locked into one lane, look at Bidens polls, consistently the second choice of Biden supporters is Bernie. Lanes aren't real except for in the talking head class!

Quote from: squatz1 on February 24, 2020, 03:50:16 AM

2. The Re-Rise of Biden - Biden had a strong second place finish in Nevada, exactly what his campaign needed. If he has a real strong finish in South Carolina, like his campaign has been relying HEAVILY on, then he could be back in the race. He'd still need some of the other moderates to drop out to REALLY have a shot, but even without this he could show himself to be the only one who could go against Bernie. Horrible candidate in my eyes, but possible.

Joe biden has run for the nomination for presidential candidate 3 times now. In those 3 attempts he has NEVER won a single state... I love how the moderates and msm are claiming that Biden losing by almost 30 points is a strong finish LOL (please Joe keep finishing that strong!). Imagine for a second Bernie after winning IA and NH losing by 30 points to anyone the msm would declare his campaign over! Now imagine Bernie finished 4th and 5th in IA and NH and then finishing 2nd by 30 points, they would be laughing on TV at him, but of course it was a strong finish for Joe!

I also love how they keep moving the goal posts. "Don't worry when IA votes Bernie will be done", "Pete did so well in IA that Bernie is in trouble in NH", "wait till NV when a multi-racial state votes", "wait till SC when black voters weigh in", wait till super tuesday when Bloomberg will swoop in with billions to save us moderates", "wait till the convention so we can super delegate Bernies ass.

Please please moderates keep waiting while Bernie racks up state after state and continues to raise millions upon millions of dollars more than the non billionaire candidates! Thank you establishment for making this so much easier!

Quote from: squatz1 on February 24, 2020, 03:50:16 AM

3. Mr. Money Bags - Bloomberg is able to pull off the unthinkable. Even after his horrible debate performance, the voters disregard this and they just look at all of the ads that he's dumped into their states and they pick him. This is what the Bloomberg camp is hoping and praying for. They need a BIG WIN on super Tuesday to use as their mandate to lead. Even a strong second place finish in every single Super T state will mean that he can push the other moderate voters toward himself.

Bloomberg has zero percent chance of hitting the convention with a plurality let alone a majority. His only chance (and its pretty much gone now) is a brokered convention. Imagine spending billions of dollars when your best shot is a brokered convention that if stolen will guarantee you can't win the general! Bloomberg has a limit on what his money will buy (a ceiling, you know like the one the msm claimed Bernie has a 20% ceiling LOLOLOL), ask Tom Steyer who spent 10's of millions in NV only to finish with nothing, absolutely nothing. Honestly Bloombergs attack ads on Trump help Bernie, they remind voters how much they hate trump and they remind voters that he is trying to buy the election and that his money is a problem in politics just like the front runner Bernie has been saying for 40 years! Bloomberg is GIVING Bernie's message half a billion dollars of confirmation!!!

Thank you moderates and establishment morons, your predictable, consistent hypocrisy is fueling the exact thing you are terrified of! Bernies train is fueled on establishment tears so I for one hope they don't stop crying anytime soon!

Now lets hear all the party unity and vote blue no matter who the establishment has been screaming about since 2016 (don't hold your breath though it would be hazardous to your health)!

TLDR; It's too late, barring some crazy shit happening Bernie will be the democratic nominee for President in 2020!

While I probably should've said that all of what I said has a low chance of happening, I think you've now pointed that out!

But in any case, I do truly think that the DNC isn't going to allow this to happen. They're going to try something, anything, to ensure that Bernie isn't the nominee. I'm not sure how they're going to do it, or whats going to happen, but at the end of the day they DONT want Bernie as their nominee. I'm getting very Trump like feels in regards to Bernie, which may mean that everything I'm saying is wrong and that he will perform a hostile takeover of the party (as Trump did)

We'll see

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