Quote from: Viper1 on March 01, 2020, 07:00:25 PM

Quote from: TECSHARE on March 01, 2020, 06:20:11 PM

Nope. It is a fact. Read The United States Constitution. Nowhere does it say anything about a mandate to provide for the population.

Oh good lord. It doesn't have to say anything about a mandate because that's not what it's purpose is. It's the core laws that the government has to adhere to. The "people" are the government and they can provide anything they want to each other including any social programs they want as long as it doesn't violate the "law" of the constitution.

Quote from: TECSHARE on March 01, 2020, 06:20:11 PM

"Miami to hold anti-Communist concert after Sanders defends Castro regime"
https://nypost.com/2020/02/26/miami-to-hold-anti-communist-concert-after-sanders-defends-castro-regime/

Like I said, Bernie just lost himself Florida, a key swing state.

Good chance for sure. Democrats are just so stupid sometimes when it comes to messaging.

Actually, yes it does. It specifically enumerates what powers the government has, an outlaws anything outside of those specified mandates and authorities. Again, none of this makes making the people dependent on the government a good idea, regardless of how you see the law.

Quote from: vladimirhf on March 01, 2020, 07:26:11 PM

it is impossible to arrive at correct conclusions from false premises. fascism and nazism were the reaction to the growth of socialism in Europe, its base is essentially capitalist, corporatist. The Nazis added "social" to the name of the party to FOOL people. It's still working, many people still fooled by Hitler....

one must be totally ignorant in history to say such nonsense.

That's the part you don't seem to grasp. Socialism is ALWAYS the candy coated protein shell on the virus the elite want to introduce to the people. It is ALWAYS a lie to fool the people into accepting a totalitarian system. It was DESIGNED to operate that way. It is the same reason so many dogs die from drinking anti-freeze leaking out from cars, because it tastes sweet, that is until it causes organ failure.

Quote from: TwitchySeal on March 01, 2020, 06:35:48 PM

Quote from: TECSHARE on March 01, 2020, 06:20:11 PM

Quote from: Viper1 on March 01, 2020, 06:06:55 PM

Quote from: TECSHARE on March 01, 2020, 05:54:31 PM

, it is not the government's job to provide for us

That's just your opinion/wish/fantasy and not a fact. The government is of, by and for the people and it they want it to do so then they will.

Nope. It is a fact. Read The United States Constitution. Nowhere does it say anything about a mandate to provide for the population. Funny you describe it as a wish/fantasy when that is quite literally what this push for universal healthcare is. That all aside, I clearly outlined why this is a dangerous precedent that is not desirable even if some people are fooled into thinking it is.

You're right that Americans do not have the right to healthcare. It's not a radical idea to change that though.

More than half the UN countries have some form of guaranteed healthcare as a basic right included in their constitution.

Quote from: TECSHARE on March 01, 2020, 06:20:11 PM

Like I said, Bernie just lost himself Florida, a key swing state.

November is a long way away.
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It is in fact radical, because this nation was founded on independence and the protection of individual rights via a constitutional republic. None of the other UN countries have the constitution the USA has, it is most certainly an outlier. In the USA, the people are sovereign, in the rest of the world the people are subjects to the government. Creating a system of dependence on the government undermines the base concept of independence this nation was founded on.