Quote from: stompix on March 08, 2020, 11:58:58 AM

Hihi, yeah I was trying to say something a bit different but I had to use the term "home", to make the comparison. What I was trying to highlight was the price in $, with 20k to put upfront in investment it's not the average Joe they are targeting...

But 20k is the most expensive package they have to offer, and that is S17pro and 1ph daily for 360 days, they have medium-size packages for an example 100th daily on the S17 pro costs exactly $3867.05 for 360 including electricity, that indeed sounds interesting to many "home miners", heck they even have plans for below $1000 for the "Young average Joe".

Quote from: stompix on March 08, 2020, 11:58:58 AM

... so just as home mining with real gear is going to become something impossible for people with median income if we continue like this, it seems cloud mining will also start to be one.

Sadly, Bitmain will always find their way into "tricking" newbies. Undecided

Quote from: stompix on March 08, 2020, 11:58:58 AM

But it's normal, after the fall of the Warsaw Pact every city, every street even every block of flats had an "ISP" provider, now there are only 14 left in the country. Mining will go the same way.

I agree, the only difference is setting up any business needs a lot of time, planning, paperwork, rent and wife's permission:

, however, with mining, it's a little bit different as the average Joe can take $500 from his parents and buy a mining plan that will supposedly make him richer in 360 days. Cheesy

Quote from: stompix on March 08, 2020, 11:58:58 AM

Wow! They are really desperate to sell those things. They went for nearly 1000$ in 2017-2018, if I remember correctly?

It was more than that, I can't recall the highest price S9 was sold for on their website, but I know it was sold it for as high as $3000 off-bitmain.

Quote from: stompix on March 08, 2020, 11:58:58 AM

And how many do they still have, or actually...are those things new? Not advertised like new, new in reality?

Yes, they are brand new with less than quarter the quality of the old gears at least based on my experience and everyone else that I know, I even had a whole topic advising people not to buy those gears.