Quote from: nutildah on March 21, 2020, 03:55:15 PM

Sounds like you went out of your way to confirm your own bias. Unsurprisingly, you picked a completely bullshit-ridden article to do so.

A problem you have is that you always take statements like these at face value, so long as they back whatever conspiracy you are currently frothing over:

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China bought off the head of Harvards chemistry department, you dont think they could buy off run-of-the-mill research scientists scrambling for tenure and funding and publication?

Really? This statement is pure paranoid speculation. Its retard juice.

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As our report mentions right at the start, scientists passed the H5N1 Bird Flu through a series of ferret hosts until it gained ACE2 affinity and then became incredibly virulent

That's not what happened! JFC. From the abstract cited in your article:

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...We genetically modified A/H5N1 virus by site-directed mutagenesis and subsequent serial passage in ferrets. The genetically modified A/H5N1 virus acquired mutations during passage in ferrets, ultimately becoming airborne transmissible in ferrets.

"Site-directed mutagenesis" is NOT a natural process. Convenient how they left that tidbit out.

Regardless, this has nothing to do with covid-19. It is again pure speculation to be slurped down by conspiratards. Just because something _could_ happen, doesn't mean it _did_ happen. You always focus on "could" and never on "did."

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This efficient solution is exactly the kind of thing that would be selected for after passage through ferrets in lab, which was already done to the Bird Flu that created a horrifically virulent strain.

"Would be" selected for -- not "was." Again, pure, baseless speculation.

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Here, only one variant was found in all the initial infected humans, instead of the multiple variants that would be expected. But does fit what would happen if a virus that already had high affinity to the ACE2 receptor, which is the same in human and ferrets, leaked out of a lab.

This is plain incorrect. Here's a representation of all of the variants of covid-19:

[img width=500]https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Takahiko_Koyama/publication/339461351/figure/fig3/AS:865732212572168@1583418052931/A-graphical-representation-of-variants-found-in-COVID-19-genomes-Variants-are-colored.png[/img]

There is zero evidence to back any of these statements up, but the author tells you what you want to hear and throws just enough scientific terms around to make it sound like they know what they're talking about, so you just assume they are truthful.

Its laughable to think this article takes down shit. I read the whole thing and it is too riddled with ridiculous assumptions, baseless claims and pseudoscientific bullshit to bother dissecting it any more than I already have. Sure, some anonymous dipshits with a blog know more about this issue than scientists with combined hundreds of years of experience working in this exact field, because those dipshits are telling you what you want to hear.

Get real.

My guess is that in 2 or 3 months this whole affair will be over with, fading into distant memory, but you will have somehow created enough plausible deniability in your own mind that covid-19 was STILL a "bio-weapon," even if a piss poor one at that, never having produced a shred of evidence to back your claim. Par for the course for just about every other ridiculous conspiratard turd you've ever laid in this section of the forum.

Here's the one part of your article I actually agree with:

"Maybe you shouldnt blindly believe everything you read?"

It is a fact, purposely infecting test animals and selecting for the most virulent mutations would be INDISTINGUISHABLE from natural mutation, because it is nothing more than accelerating a natural process and selecting for desirable traits. There is no evidence that this has been excluded as a possibility, and any claims otherwise are assumptions, not based on observable empirical data.

Quote from: sirazimuth on March 21, 2020, 06:44:49 PM

Yeah roger that techy...as if you don't ever have a problem with anyone who has opinions that don't align with your own. Phukking hypocrite.

Here's an idea dude, why not try posting your rebuttal without being an obnoxious richard head? I dont think I've ever seen you do that.
Not sure if you enjoy or just don't care about being an arrogant prick on these boards, but you sure are good at it.
Apologies for replying to off topic with off topic.

The corona virus sucks.

If I disagree with some one's views, I debate the topic with them. I don't follow them around like a human version of Snopes and attack every source they link as invalid while never addressing the contents. I am perfectly capable of posting a logic based rebuttal while also being an obnoxious prick, thank you very much.