Quote from: nutildah on March 25, 2020, 09:16:07 AM

Quote from: TECSHARE on March 24, 2020, 08:46:10 PM

Quote from: nutildah on March 24, 2020, 02:47:09 PM

[appeal to popularity]
[appeal to authority]

The number of people who believe a thing is not related to its validity.

No shit sherlock. Its not just a "number of people" -- its people whose job it is to know this issue inside and out. THEIR consensus is this is a naturally-evolved virus. I take their word on this issue over yours, as should any rationally-thinking human being who has the intellectual honesty to accept they are not educated enough on the matter to object to the conclusions of experts. You would rather take the word of some anonymous dipshits whose job is churning out clickbait for conspiratards because you are too feeble and insecure to admit you may be wrong about _anything_.

Quote from: TECSHARE on March 24, 2020, 08:46:10 PM

What I said is a fact regardless of all the dumb shit you say. Logic overpowers the words of hundreds of people appealing to popularity and or authority. This isn't my opinion, it is a scientific fact.

There's far too many variables involved for anyone to declare it a fact. Nobody is claiming it is a fact but you. Again, you can't entertain the idea that you may be wrong about something for even one minute. Which is why nobody should ever take you seriously when it comes to matters as complicated or as serious as this.

Science is not determined by consensus, or by appeal to authority, both of which you are relying completely on here to try to argue your point. Experts are inevitably wrong, because the understanding of science is constantly changing. Furthermore, they are also influenced by out side forces that control their publication, their funding, their employment, and their general reputation in the community. These offer plenty of motive to manipulate outcomes to desired goals.

Your argument that the consensus of these people is the only thing that should be relied upon is asinine, and the words of some one with zero critical thinking abilities who wants to be held in the warm embrace of the establishment and have mommy and daddy tell them everything they want to hear.

Quote from: nutildah on March 19, 2020, 01:28:06 PM

Sorry to burst your bubble but you don't know more about this issue than the authors of this article, who work for the largest non-profit biomedical research organization in the United States.

An "accelerated forced mutation process"? Because you have no idea how little you understand about the issue, you will have no way of understanding why you are so incredibly wrong.

"This would essentially be mostly indistinguishable from natural evolution."

Cheesy

First of all, there's an entire section of the article called "Evidence for natural evolution".

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"These two features of the virus, the mutations in the RBD portion of the spike protein and its distinct backbone, rules out laboratory manipulation as a potential origin for SARS-CoV-2"

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"They conclude that the virus is the product of natural evolution,"

"Accelerated forced mutation" is NOT the same thing as "natural evolution."

They're not saying "similar to natural evolution," they're saying it is natural evolution. But because you are so very very smart you know better than the people whose jobs it is to study the topic day and night, right?

They studied the issue. You did not. That is why I support their conclusion:

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In one scenario, the virus evolved to its current pathogenic state through natural selection in a non-human host and then jumped to humans. This is how previous coronavirus outbreaks have emerged, with humans contracting the virus after direct exposure to civets (SARS) and camels (MERS)...

In the other proposed scenario, a non-pathogenic version of the virus jumped from an animal host into humans and then evolved to its current pathogenic state within the human population. For instance, some coronaviruses from pangolins, armadillo-like mammals found in Asia and Africa, have an RBD structure very similar to that of SARS-CoV-2...

over yours:

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likely a bio-weapon

1,000x, every day of the week.

Oh, but let me guess, they are just political pawns used to facilitate a cover-up. And meanwhile you're completely unbiased and just presenting facts as you see them. Right.

It sure does seem like you are claiming your premise is factual while my premise has no basis in fact.

1. Animals are used in pathogen testing
2. Mutation of pathogenic viruses can be accelerated in labs using animals
3. Monitoring these mutations, traits resulting from mutation can be selected for and further mutated
4. This process is identical to the natural process of mutation, only controlled by selection
5. Even if the virus was 100% naturally occurring, there is no reason it couldn't have been collected and purposely distributed

Which of these points is not scientific fact Nutilduhh?

People like you who sit around waiting for permission to have their own thoughts will always be behind the curve and in the dark. That is why I showed up here in 2011, while you showed up in 2014 with the first huge wave of free lunch Doge noobs. That is why I was warning about this virus at the end of January while people like you were still pooh poohing it. You require the cult of establishment to approve your thoughts for you first before you have them. You don't even trust your own abilities for reasoning, and as a result to sooth your fragile ego, you have to argue no one else can either because you are too weak intellectually and emotionally to make that step. In short, you are ignorant and afraid, and anyone else who doesn't join you in that state is wrong, because obviously you are the best, so no one else could possibly do any better.