Quote from: nutildah on March 25, 2020, 07:27:50 PM

Quote from: TECSHARE on March 25, 2020, 06:37:45 PM

Is that what I said? Please quote.

Quote from: TECSHARE on March 25, 2020, 06:09:03 PM

I made the distinction in the original statement. This is desperate straw grasping. You have fun with the semantic argument over what "natural" is. The fact is this form of selective mutation does not leave the markers of genetic engineering, as cited as supposed proof that this virus was not created in a lab. This is evidence against it being genetically engineered, if the study is accurate. It is not evidence against accelerated selective mutation via natural incubation processes.

You provided no evidence that it was made in a lab. While you did not say "there is no evidence that the virus was made in a lab" verbatim, you did at least acquiesce to admit there is evidence against it being made in a lab.

You're going to say, well it could have been made in a lab in a way that has so far fooled hundreds of trained scientists into thinking that it was not. I'm saying neither one of us knows that for sure. Most people who have some to a large degree of expertise on the matter argue that either we don't know the origins or that it has natural origins (as in purely natural and not manipulated in a laboratory in any way):

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/03/200317175442.htm

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An analysis of public genome sequence data from SARS-CoV-2 and related viruses found no evidence that the virus was made in a laboratory or otherwise engineered.

https://sciencespeaksblog.org/2020/03/15/recent-data-and-maps-to-help-find-the-origin-of-covid-19/

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Q: What is the overwhelmingly likely origin of this outbreak-become-pandemic of the three possible ways an outbreak could begin: Naturally occurring, accidental, or intentional?

This outbreak was naturally occurring, arising from a still unidentified animal or more than one animal species. This coronavirus then infected humans and most likely over several months, e.g., between September and December, was able to acquire the ability to be transmitted from human-to-human. Whether it began in Wuhan, elsewhere in Hubei province or in China remains to be proven.

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/theory-that-coronavirus-escaped-from-a-lab-lacks-evidence-67229

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The pathogen appears to have come from wild animals, virologists say, and there are no signs of genetic manipulation in the SARS-CoV-2 genome.

Just for fun, here's an excerpt from that same reference that helps your conspiracy theory:

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Mosher agrees that animals were the likely origin. That doesnt mean [the virus] wasnt collected, brought to the lab, and was being tested on in various ways, and escaped from the lab, he says. Mosher also does not claim that China genetically engineered the virus. Im not saying this has been genetically engineered to be a bioweapon thats escaped from the lab. . . . Im just saying that [China is] collecting dangerous pathogens, [and] they have a history of letting them escape from the lab, he says.

(he is also the guy that wrote this article... still not exactly the same thing as "likely a bio-weapon", however)

What evidence do you have or does anybody has that it was made in a lab? What evidence do you have that anybody with any sort of medical or scientific background thinks that it was?

So do you think selectively editing my quotes makes you look better? Just lop off the end of a sentence, no big deal right? Now that you painted yourself into a corner it's not you who is mistaken, but "neither of us knows for sure".

To pretend there would be no political interference in this subject regardless of its source is just demonstrating suicidal amounts of naivete. Ignoring common sense and known established science only because some one who you think holds authority told you so is how cultists live, not free, thinking, people. There is no doubt these events are being taken advantage of to create more authoritarian control systems much like was done after 9/11/01, using the disaster to systematically strip rights and privacy. This is happening all over the world, not just in the US.

There is clear motive for certain organizations and individuals to want this kind of event. The idea that it could have been an intentionally started pandemic is not something outside of scientific fact. As with any investigation of a potential crime, you are looking first at the means, motive, and opportunity a perpetrator might have for taking the specified action. The whole point of the response to the article "proving it could not be made in a lab" was to make it clear that it doesn't exclude these other methodologies, and is making overly exclusive claims based on the types of tests done looking for direct genetic engineering.
That being the means are there, the motive is there, and the opportunity is there.

This has created some very big economic shock waves for one. Are you saying it is impossible to imagine that some one might do something like this if they were to make billions of dollars on the foreknowledge of these events? What do these events acheive as far as national level controls of an increasingly unruly population worldwide? How do these events effect international relations? What does this mean for our privacy? Our bodily autonomy? Our livelihoods? Are you saying among all of those massive changes there is NO MOTIVE for some one, or some organizations to perpetrate this on the world population? You have fun waiting being told what you are approved to think of. I will use my own critical thinking skills, thank you.