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Quote from: squatz1 on March 25, 2020, 06:09:25 AM

Ah hey, a new person coming to see some of the crazies in the section. Heh. (I know you're not new Vod, just a new face in awhile around here)

More and more people are noticing that 'the crazies' tend to rely on science and logic and often put enough effort to read scientific papers and provide links while...

Quote from: squatz1 on March 25, 2020, 06:09:25 AM

But no, people don't understand that basic things like that. We evolve as people, viruses evolve quickly, there are many strands of the flu and your vaccine may not help you, vaccines don't cause autisim, etc. (Just spitting off basic things)

VACCINES WORK FOLKS WE JUST DONT HAVE ONE YET FOR CORONA. Corona has been said to evolve slowly, which will help vaccines that are being developed now be effective for a long amount of time.

^^^...The normies on the other side tend to be more than a little bit dogmatic.

You see in their work 'appeal to authority' and 'appeal to popularity' arguments dominate their thought process and it is quite rare to see actual scientific papers presented. [Thanks, TechShare, for the brief and legible labels which nail it.]

One time on one of the vaccine threads someone posted a list of 50 studies. I picked one at random. What it actually said was just the opposite of what the pro-vaxer (who obviously just copy pasted some list he found somewhere and didn't read the material) claims.

Ugh, what? I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to go on here.

I'm literally just saying that there are a lot of people in this section that are big into the -- vaccines going to kill you, the government is putting some weird shit in the water to kill you, and that there is a new world order, all that kind of stuff - just a lot of the conspiracy theory bullshit.

What are you trying to get at here?

You are falling into a commonly used trap of relying on propagandists for information about what anti-vaxxers believe. I am out on the margins and do entertain hypotheses about the things you enumerate. That doesn't mean that I 'believe' them or 'dis-believe' them; just that I pattern-match these possibilities against observations. Anyway, I am chronically aggravated at 'anti-vaxxers' for dogmatically accepting a lot of other questionable corp/gov pushed things without the same kind of analysis that they apply to their vaccine research.

Like most so-called 'anti-vaxxers', I am in favor of some vaccines and requested them for my child. In my case the only vaccine which the rewards probably outweigh the risks would be HBG for tuberculosis. Most so-called 'anti-vaxxers' choose more vaccines for their kids than I do.

A certain minority of 'anti-vaxxers' come at things from a religous angle and reject all vaccines (and other medical interventions) as principle. I personally think that is kind of nuts, but it's not my place to butt into their business. It would be nice if the pro-vaxxers would take the same tact and leave other people alone, but these people tend to be nasty control-freak types who are not wired that way. And their thought leaders, in the shadows pulling the puppet strings, are probably anti-human Lucifarian types as best I can determine.

Oh if that is the way you were going about things, then I agree with that portion. Yes, without a doubt.

I've read some horror stories about certain vaccines that for certain people the benefits of having it are heavily outweighed by some sort of side effect from the vaccine / medication. Not sure where I've saw this, but yeah. Though I wouldn't label these people anti vaxxers, as they most likely use other vaccines -- as I highly doubt EVERY vaccine has these horrid side effects for them.

I feel like anti vaxxers is the term we use on people who don't use any and then have all those crazy views on them.