Quote from: bones261 on March 29, 2020, 12:21:35 AM

Quote from: BADecker on March 28, 2020, 11:52:28 PM

Who is blaming people for hardship? It's the fault of people if they won't believe Jesus salvation... except if they have no way of hearing.

Eternity is a long time. Think about it.

Coronavirus deaths might speed up death a little. The point isn't the death. The point is the security of the dying... that they remain securely embedded in their faith. Consoling them helps, and that is what Jesus does, directly with them as they die.

God doesn't punish people by going out and punishing them. The closest God comes to punishing people is to take His protective hand off them as they push it off themselves.

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Now you are contradicting yourself. You just confirmed that you think it is my fault if I run out of toilet paper or end up dying of COVID-19 just because I am agnostic. Nonsense.

Jesus tells us that we can move mountains and treas (with our speaking to them) if we have faith. You certainly aren't gaining any faith if you remain agnostic. Your fault.

Quote from: bones261 on March 29, 2020, 12:21:35 AM

Furthermore, please explain why God the Father took his protective hand off of God the Son, even when God the Son begged him in the garden of Gethsemane not to do so?

God sent His Son to this point in torment. Why? To pay for your sins. Remember that after Jesus died, Father raised Him to life again... a glorified life. Why do you resist salvation? You attempt to make the work Jesus did for you to be wasted.

Quote from: bones261 on March 29, 2020, 12:21:35 AM

Also, it appears that the flood story and the story of Sodom and Gomorrah directly contradicts your view that YHVH does not punish people. Lot's wife was even punished for looking back.

Nowhere does it say that God turned Lot's wife into a pillar of salt. She was instructed to not look back. She looked back. If she was punished, it was her own doing by looking back.

Quote from: bones261 on March 29, 2020, 12:21:35 AM

Also, I don't consider Lot fared any better. Living in a cave for the rest of his life and then his desperate daughters engaging in incest with him after getting him drunk doesn't seem like a good life, even when it seemed YHVH agreed with Abraham that Lot was one of the righteous ones, and sent two angels to "rescue" him.

What are you even yammering about? Most of the people in the world don't live as good as people in the USA or Britain. And people in the USA and Britain generally live better than the best people of Sodom and Gomorrah.

The world has devolved so much because of sin, that people only live a hundred years if that. The best life here is nothing. The goal should be salvation. That's what the Father and the Son had in mind for you when Jesus died and arose. But you sound like you don't want much to do with it.

What else is God to do to save you? He did all He could do for you. If you reject it, it is your own fault. And it will be worse for you, because you seem to know all about these things. If you reject, it will be extra bad for you in eternity.

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