Quote from: nullius on Today at 12:07:28 AM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on April 01, 2020, 11:24:10 PM

I surely am NOT sympathetic to the way that cryptotourist and BAC went on the attack, yet sometimes it is NOT easy to frame matters with reasonable empathy.

FWIW, I don’t think the responses can be categorized together. Cryptotourist expressed a reasonable skepticism in a civil manner, neatly hedged just in case someone actually died:

Quote from: Cryptotourist on April 01, 2020, 10:31:10 AM

Quote from: Paashaas on April 01, 2020, 10:13:21 AM

This is a sad day.

My sisters husband, his dad passed away from Covid-19 this morning.

He didn't had any health problems, dead within 12 hours just like that. Cry

Call me cruel, but somehow I do not believe you.
In the COV19 part.

Sorry for your loss.

I do think that BayAreaCoins overshot. Not because I give a hoot about “empathy” (I don’t), but because he drew unwarranted inferences as to fact. On the face of Paashaas’ post (not having time to check his post history now), there is no evidence but to conclude that (0) somebody may or may not have died, and (1) if somebody died, it was probably not from COVID-19. In case somebody actually died, appropriate courtesy is in order so as to not trivialize it. I think that Cryptotourist struck a decent balance.

(An Internet forum post reports that somebody with no pre-existing health problems died of COVID-19 within twelve hours of first presenting symptoms? Or maybe even within twelve hours of exposure? Skepticism is warranted—not, “I read it on the Internet, so it must be true.”)

I second what Cryptotourist said.

Paashaas, condolences for your report of a death in your family at what must be a very difficult time.

There is something missing from your story. That does tend to happen, when people are shocked with grief. Please do understand that there is a major problem with disinformation right now. I suggest that for your own sake and the sake of your family, you should not jump to conclusions that this death was caused by COVID-19. If you have some extraordinary evidence that it was, then you should consider telling us: A healthy person very suddenly dropping dead from COVID-19 “just like that. Cry

” would be a serious matter of public interest.

I oughtn’t need to remark on the agonies of hell deserved by anybody who tells Internet fake stories that trivialize a plague causing intense suffering to real people.

I appreciate your attempting to elaborate further on this matter nullius, because it has been my fairly consistent attempt to NOT drag too many emotions into my posting style, but sometimes emotions can be strategically played to some degree that I am attempting to remain in control of my actual emotions and I am not necessarily emotionally responding to others, such as when I might be perceive them to attacking me or some of my ideas. None of us, except maybe the bots, are completely immuned from emotions or the use of information that we might have provided against us, whether intentional or not and whether maliciousnessly or not.

Various topics can become quite emotional, especially something so severe like a virus, human impact and the various sometimes seemingly inconsistent and illogical responses of governments, and how our opinions are likely to vary in very significant ways, especially if we perceive ourselves or our loved ones to become personally materially and significantly affected in negative ways by certain policy choices that are made.

Furthermore some seemingly free association of consensual adult activities are being criminalized, and some people are going to have strong feelings about the weighing of that in both directions in terms of whether the state should be employing such powers and even deciding whether or not to commandeer private company properties and labor of people too in order to make possibly essential supplies and equipment.

So, yeah, even though deaths of people near and dear might be employed as an argument weapon in either direction, it becomes a bit of a personal choice whether any of us post some of that potentially personal and highly emotional information within a public thread, because anything you say can and will be used against you. Similar with mindrust, even though I have lots of feelings for mindrust (nohomo#), his having had shared personal information regarding his finances, strategies and even his various emotional states and his practices causes more specific information for him to be used as a punching bag and even the butt of jokes, including examples of what NOT to do. Any of us can come off as callous or even seem to be callous, when we might be employing information that has been shared in the thread, whether personal or otherwise... including possible maliciousness in order to exaggerate our point(s).

Of course, both sides can do it, yet sure there can be a component of one side is weaker than the other, and getting kicked when they are down.. at the same time, even the one doing the kicking might feel passionate to kick the one that is down because all is fair in love and war. Each of us will find boundaries in different ways, and yeah some of us will be repulsed by the thoughts and/or seeming callousness of others in these here interwebs.