Quote from: Vod on April 06, 2020, 05:38:02 AM

Quote from: bonesjonesreturns on April 06, 2020, 05:34:23 AM

Lets set the transparent concrete standards then those that break them must be cast out.

Theymos has set standards many times for leaving negative trust. But he still supports those who repeatedly break those standards.

If he won't take action, why would anyone else?

This is where you can make a difference by actually doing something. Just please don't complain about everything for a decade while not trying to improve anything.

Theymos has set objective independently verifiable standards for flags 2 and 3. The other is subjective gamed and dangerous rubbish.

Any subjectivity will immediately be seized upon and manipulated to serve scammers best interest. This is undeniably happening in several observable scenarios here that we can discuss of you like. This would have been avoided should these scamming dt1
Members been forced to abide by objective standards for leaving red tags. Actually many those tags were a contravention of theymos " suggestions back then " strong evidence of scamming" they are still there and theymos did nothing but support the scammers leaving them there. Even claiming the member was telling lies about the scammers?? Then helping arrange the scammers own removal of their credible red tags. Whether this is because theymos never bothers to check the history out before siding with those he is familiar with or if he just really thought it was a lie who knows.

The "if you think " stipulation is pure foolishness when you leave subjectivity there that can be gamed for direct financial gain. Its like saying if you think you should be allowed to scam for extra income, if you think whistle blowers presenting my past history of scamming should be silenced, if you think you should allow others to act that way because you are worried they will attack you and ruin your account next because they think you should be punished, this is bogus moronic nonsense and irresponsible.

The insoluble problems it creates have been listed and remain undisputed. They range from crushing free speech to trading red tags removals between proven scammers and lots more in between.

The trust abuse that eventually made clear the real need for an objective flagging system was grandfathered in. So the whistleblowers were branded scammers and financially dangerous for whistle blowing and providing irrefutable evidence of financially motivated wrong doing .

The red tagging was left with the same power and insoluble problems but was given more yes more subjectivity than before so the trust system became even more dangerous.

It is simple

Provide objective independently verifiable and irrefutable evidence of scamming (financially ) for type 2or 3 flag
Provide strong credible evidence of attempting to scam or setting up a scam or seemingly enticing members into a directly vulnerable situation financially for type 1 flag.

That gives you accurate and credible valuable warnings and mitigates or destroys entirely all the dangerous insoluble problems the current subjective mess creates.

Not sure how providing clear proof of scammers using the current broken system to endanger others and crush free speech while providing an undeniably improved and effective system is not helpful?

Can you show me some member doing more? Because all i see is a bunch of dt supporting or including proven scammers on the trust system and pushing double standards. Some out of fear some out for financial gain.

There is not point trying to tackle this from the bottom up. There must be a design change and objective independently verifiable standards set. Working within a broken system to create a fix is nonsense.

Merit is cancer and subjective meaningless and dangerous crap. Red tags are the stick and merit is the carrot that leads to a broken down and corrupt echo chamber. There has never been any refutation of that that stood up to scrutiny.

Theymos is obviously better at coding that understanding human nature. Either way it is impossible to refute my points.
Or if anyone can then lets here the refutation that i will not trash immediately.

Anyone opposing an objective standards based system that ensures each member is treated fairly and equal should be watched closely and have their actions analysed deeply.
Bring them here to explain why ...that is not immediately a self serving selfish bunch of garbage.

I only hope you will be supporting the objective standards guild vod. There is always a way to correct path if you have not scammed. Lengthy support of scammers or appeasing scammers is risky and suchmoon likes to walk that line. Perhaps his scamming supporting and protecting has almost made redemption unworkable. There can only be so many attempts made to protect scammers that does not leave permanent taint.