Quote from: bonesjonesreturns on Today at 04:17:12 PM

Let's sum up the 2 text walls above

Juanjaygee is making 2 claims

1. That my claim "that full context is fundamental to determining fair and consistent punishment " is bogus

2. He then claims that my statements based on irrefutable independently verifiable of scamming and willing scam facilitating for several members are nothing but the convoluted reasoning of a confused madman. That do not demonstrate any wrongdoing by his pals lauda, tman, nutildah et al. At all.

I ask him to provide specific instances or examples where he can demonstrate clearly the evidence is weak and he can debunk.

Jayjuangee refuses to back up his statements and provide even 1 example which he can debunk

I already backed up my assertions sufficiently, especially since they are conclusionary assertions about off-topic matters, therefore I do not need to back them up any more than I already have... otherwise we are just devolving into more nonsense than we already have.

Quote from: bonesjonesreturns on Today at 04:17:12 PM

Why? Because he knows he can not debunk any of it.

Why? Because it is a BIG ASS waste of time. If you do not know how to argue and present your arguments, then I am NOT going to waste my time trying to teach you better techniques. You need to learn that on your own. Maybe practice in some other thread or some other forum because here you are just cluttering with ever increasing tangles of nonsensical and difficult to follow assertions.

Quote from: bonesjonesreturns on Today at 04:17:12 PM

It is documented independently verifiable evidence of clear scamming by his friends that is way more ruthless and viscous than paid ico bumping.

I don't have any friends. A few weeks ago, I tried to go through a kind of process of attempting to become your friend, and even when we were attempting to go through such process, you were not even willing to work with me on that in order that we could attempt to become closer, or at least better able to communicate about any potentially matters of mutual concerns and interests.

Quote from: bonesjonesreturns on Today at 04:17:12 PM

Take the example I presented above and linked to for him? Totally avoid trying to debunk that or excuse laudas behavior. Why? Because there is no excuse that will stand up to scrutiny.

I don't know what the fuck you are talking about. Lauda's behavior? What does that have to do with the price of tea in china? or the topic of this thread, for that matter?

Quote from: bonesjonesreturns on Today at 04:17:12 PM

He then says something even more crazy.

He says well of course a scammer not be treated the same as an honest member as if that somehow debunks my claim that all members must be treated fairly and consistently aka the same. This demonstrates he does not understand the concept even.

Probably, I do not understand the concept. You are correct.

Quote from: bonesjonesreturns on Today at 04:17:12 PM

Of course a scammer will not be treated the same as honest member.

Great!!!! We agree about something. We might need to celebrate with a cyber hug, which will also meet our social distancing requirements.

Quote from: bonesjonesreturns on Today at 04:17:12 PM

Let's make this clear. If jayjuangee was confident he could demonstrate lauda nutildah and tman histories were of honest members with no scamming or financially motivated wrongdoing

How the fuck could I even demonstrate anything about the histories about these folks? I am supposed to do some kind of research further than I already have experienced? What is it that you would like me to do exactly? Perform some kind of investigation into each of them in regards to some kind of theory that you have about them?

O.k. fair enough that you purportedly have done research into these three members and you have concluded that there are problems with them. Great.. Good for you.

Quote from: bonesjonesreturns on Today at 04:17:12 PM

then of course he would not hesitate to debunk my claims that in the full context of their behaviors then hacker can be a higher priority for some " further punishment " assessment.

I am not even saying anything about what investigation has priority over another. I happen to be involved in this thread, for some reason, that involves the conduct of hacker. The purported conduct of lauda, nutildah and/or tman are not at issue in this particular thread... so why the fuck are you continuing to assert that I have some kind of obligation to look into the conduct of those three members in order for me to have been able to participate in this thread or in whatever other hacker related thread that I have participated in (to the extent that I have participated by posting, sending smerits and reading some of the materials to the extent that I believe that some of the materials are informative or interesting within my discretion)

Quote from: bonesjonesreturns on Today at 04:17:12 PM

You only run away from comparisons that will debunk your claims

I run away from homework assigned from members like you whether it is you or any other member. Of course, I might give some members more benefit of the doubt if they do not abuse my trust in them, but ever since the beginning of my relationship with you, bonesjones, you have been abusing the fuck out of any attempt that I have made to give you any benefit of the doubt or to go down your multitude of dead ended bullshit rabbit holes.

Quote from: bonesjonesreturns on Today at 04:17:12 PM

You don't run away from comparisons that will help debunk your opponents arguments

Well, your assertion that I am purposefully running away seems to be another stretch that you are making. There is only so much time that I can spend on any particular aspect of any of these conversations, and maybe you are successful in getting me to discuss whether I am running away or not, when it seems to not even really be true or even relevant if it were true.

Quote from: bonesjonesreturns on Today at 04:17:12 PM

Lol at these people.

Like if I said to nullius my cock would make alia squeal with pleasure whilst your old micro penis would be laughed at and ridiculed by her.
Nullius says ..in maximis meis coles lilliputian terminorum. Aka my penis is huge in lilliputian terms.
I flop out the 9inch by 7inch girth flaccid snake
Nullius says .. off topic, irrelevant, my trouser zipper has gone mouldy and I cant compare atm.

Just because you and nullius are exploring these kinds of speculative off topic meanderings does not mean that I should be involved in those kinds of discussions.

Quote from: bonesjonesreturns on Today at 04:17:12 PM

Scared to compare is usually due to fear.
Lord byron eat your heart out bozo.

Without going into the applicability of phantom of the opera to our discussion, I did tend to get a lot of pleasure in the 90s from playing a lot of that music (on repeat) including some of the other Andrew Lloyd Weber musicals. So in the sense that some of us might learn about that music could be a good thing, but I still doubt that it is very helpful to entertain the various allegations of OP and whether OP might be shedding light on new hacker conduct or merely just regurgitating conduct that has already been sufficiently considered and accounted for my admins and moderators. I get the sense that even if Nullius has allowed you to distract him into these various areas of seeming irrelevance, the thread has ultimately been able to shed some light on hacker behavior and even caused some members to conclude both that hacker had been continuing to NOT come clean about his seeming pattern of scammy behavior. Of course, personally, I don't really feel very qualified in making these kinds of judgements, but it does seem to me that several other members (besides just nullius) who have participated in this thread, have pointed out a variety of ways in which hacker does not really seem to be coming clean and hacker seems to be contradicting himself when he does try to make some kind of clarification that seemingly way the fuck less than showing him as someone who really wants to improve his reputation rather than just digging himself in and continuing to deny and obfuscate.. that is the sense I am getting regarding hacker and some of the light that is getting shed through some of the sometimes quasi-relevant discussions within this thread.

Quote from: bonesjonesreturns on Today at 04:17:12 PM

They dont want to compare all of hackers history to the dirt that can be shown to be lurking in the histories of these scumbags.
Want hacker banned? Ban the more dangerous first and their complicit supporters and excusers
How can it be so hard to find a handful of old trusted members with no histories of scamming or willing scam facilitating for pay to put in our trust system .. we are not this desperate are we?
This newbie zoo of DT scammers is an embarrassment.
Also I try to treat others and be civil. They start swearing and childish name calling first or attack me in an uncivilized manner. Then will start saying that I am unable to conduct myself in an uncivilized manner if I return the same towards them.

You are not really saying anything new, in this part.

Seems that we are supposed to be talking about hacker, here, and you seem to be continuing to assert that for the most part all of the members who are influencing the criticizing of hacker are not sufficiently qualified to criticize hacker because their slates are not sufficiently clean. Nothing new about those ongoingly irrelevant assertions, right? Am I missing something in what you are saying in that above portion?