Quote from: Raytheon on Today at 02:50:24 PM

Since when has this thread become Covid-19 related? Some psychos in Politics & Society will flood over and turn it into a warzone.

P.S: Absolutely no.

WO is like this. We have all sorts of whack-a-doodle discussions here, the key is we know when to quit and when to stop beating a dead horse (for awhile).

As for the vaccine, there will be one, and if you're smart you will try not to get into a place where you need it immediately, but where it can be properly tested and reviewed. Otherwise you run into the situation of "Trump cures" which wind up just killing you because it's a crowd stampede.

Perfect example: Gulping hydroxychloroquine just because a moron says so. Smarter move is to wait for the trial data to come out and make your decision then.

*That* is another reason to have reserves. In a true survival situation you are either the first person out or the last person out. Being in the big crowded middle is the worst place to be, so hunker down in your place of reserves until you can see the true landscape and the best plan of action.

Hairy is pretty much dead on in his post, which is why I merited it: You can believe that this virus is not really easy to transmit, that it's not any more deadly than the flu, that all the death numbers are inflated to "make Trump look bad", that your employer really will have your best interest at heart thus the need to protect them against lawsuits, that hydroxychloroquine and zinc will save you, that this is all an evil conspiracy to get your guns/freedom/whatever. You can believe any reality you want to.

But only one reality exists. And in that one when you get sick and crippled you're sick and crippled no matter how many rallies you protested at with your barbie gun*. In that one when you get sick or die your employer just replaces you like the widget you are. In that one things happen based on simple probabilities and well established vectors of transmission, not based on how well you suck up to someone in power. And in that one you face the benefits or consequences of listening to informed or uninformed sources.

Step right up and place your bets! Because this is reality, and this one can't be fooled or paid for on credit or promises.

* Barbie guns: I get so annoyed seeing these freedom fighters at rallies with stupid-assed guns that have endless scary attachments on them. It's like owning a barbie doll and endlessly outfitting her with fashion accessories. Fine if that's your fetish but if you're serious bring a 12 gauge pump action shotgun and be done with it....

** Note: I take extreme offense at people who ask others to sacrifice their lives for themselves, and get really annoyed when asked to sacrifice my life so someone else can profit.