Quote from: SaltySpitoon on May 16, 2020, 04:13:39 AM

Quote from: TECSHARE on May 16, 2020, 03:40:28 AM

As some one who is admittedly ignorant how our system of economics works, you seem rather assured that all these unnamed experts know what they are doing and some how are able to centrally plan out our economy on a macroeconomic scale on such short notice when all attempts to do so throughout all of human history have failed so spectacularly. It is almost as if you have no facts to support your argument and are relying completely on appeal to authority. Pay no attention to the economy crumbling around us, the government is here to help.

You are correct! Economics isn't my forte, so I rely on millions of people who do understand economics to create economic policy. I don't understand 100% of the Bitcoin code, so I rely on all of the other people who understand it to point out if there is a problem. What you call appeal to authority is just how humans overcome the fact that we don't live long enough to gather mastery of all subject matters. Every time you drive over a bridge without researching and understanding all of the structural properties, you are by your own definition "appealing to authority" by trusting the engineers who built the bridge to keep you safe.

I believe the government is here to screw us over when it benefits them. If it doesn't benefit them, I have no reason to believe that they're acting dishonestly. Again, it is in the government's best interest to aim for the best possible financial outcome. I do not have the manpower or resources to adequately collect the data to model the intersection between financial damage from the shutdown and projection of financial damage from unchecked Covid19. If you do, I'd completely unsarcastically love to see your predictions if you care to explain them. I don't wholeheartedly pledge my allegiance to the government, I acknowledge that it has the ability to coordinate efforts between large groups of people that do know what they're doing to collect the data necessary to make a plan. The entirety of your point is that we shouldn't trust the government because they're the government. its somehow a bad thing to listen to people who have expertise in something you don't. I trust the consensus of the medical community. I value the consensus of the business community. I believe that the government has the ability to use its own people to verify the consensus of the medical community (the CDC for example) to come to a decision about the outlook of Covid from the medical community (and its own economic advisors). It then takes that input, and crunches the numbers to come to a plan on the best possible solution. Why? Because thats their job... when people have a job to do, if they don't have any reason to do it dishonestly they typically dont.

Do you actually have any evidence that so much effort was put into planning this response, or is this just a lazy appeal to authority logical fallacy again on your part? No one has the data or ability to model the macroeconomic effects of the shutdown, that is my point. I don't care how many experts you throw at it, the economy is a very finely tuned complicated machine flying down the highway at 120mph, and the shutdown just slammed it into reverse gear at full speed. Even if we can regain control of the vehicle the transmission is going to be destroyed.

Very good of you to tell me what my point is. What else is that called? Oh, right a straw man. My point is no one has the ability to model all of this effectively, and you have no evidence to support your claim that it has been examined in this way, in such detail, or even by economics experts. My point is even if they did, they still would not be able to do a good enough job to approach a reliable model. So far all I have seen are horribly inaccurate computer model based systems, not "millions of people who understand economics". This wasn't an economic policy, it was an emergency policy with economics as an afterthought at best. You like to imagine that government couldn't be so incompetent, but you have zero evidence to support your assertions.

What if I told you the lock down plan is based on a high school science project from 2006? What would you say then? What if I told you that experts in economics and medicine rejected the idea, but it was implemented anyway? What if I asked you to substantiate your claims with documentation? What other logical fallacies would you pull out to avoid admitting that you have zero logical arguments to respond with? There are people who have interests in seeing this nation fail for control and profit. Your inability to admit this and pretend like no one wants to see this happen is beyond ignorant. What will eventually be sold as incompetence is actually intentional sabotage, and it is enabled by millions of people just like you running to the warm embrace of the government when they tell you "we are here to help!". When you see the devastation that develops over the following years as a result of this policy, you just make sure you remember how vociferously you fought for your own nation's destruction.

"The 2006 Origins of the Lockdown Idea"

https://www.aier.org/article/the-2006-origins-of-the-lockdown-idea/

"Neil Ferguson's Imperial model could be the most devastating software mistake of all time "

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/05/16/neil-fergusons-imperial-model-could-devastating-software-mistake/