Quote from: suchmoon on May 25, 2020, 07:54:21 PM

Quote from: TECSHARE on May 25, 2020, 02:49:08 PM

Fortunately the world is not limited to what you recall. Lets just call documented fact "conspiracy theory" and pretend like it doesn't exist. I guess voter fraud is only important when it doesn't serve your interests.

You have extremely flexible standards of what passes for a "documented fact". The NC 9th district case was a serious one, they had to re-run the election. A republican still won BTW so there is an argument to be made that even this case of fraud didn't really change the outcome.

How many such cases can you show let's say in the last 20 years? Proven in the court of law, with the potential to change the outcome of an election.

Weird how the only case you think is serious is the single one that supports your bias. It is almost like you have no principles and think the ends justify the means, and gaining power at any cost is acceptable to you. You keep pretending like facts like convictions aren't facts. Furthermore for every conviction, every case proven, there are many more not proven that actually happened.

Quote from: squatz1 on May 25, 2020, 08:08:43 PM

I don't think we have to set it up to the degree of -- potential to change the outcome of an election -- but I still do agree with the sentiment here. I doubt there are many cases that can be found of voter fraud to begin with, let along with the chance of changing the outcome of the election.

A vote that is illegal is a problem even if it doesn't change the outcome of the election -- effectively it cancels out the vote of someone who is legally allowed to vote. But yes, there should obviously be more attention given to the time where the outcome of the election was (or could've) been altered.

I still think one of the most important things to say to those that think voter fraud is plaguing the nation is -- if it is so easy for Democrats to do it -- why don't Republicans do it right back to balance all of this out? You can't just say that every time you lose its voter fraud and every time you win it's just normal voting.

How would you know whether it effected the election or not if it was successful? If you weren't so insistent of running from the bad man who tells you things you don't want to see, you would see there are many PROVEN cases of voter fraud in the US, along with cases that pretty obviously effected the outcome of the related elections. Your argument is nothing but false equivalence with more false equivalence stacked on top of it. You are a poser, and just as disingenuous as the rest of these leftist goons here.

Quote from: suchmoon on May 25, 2020, 09:22:33 PM

Absolutely, fraud is fraud and needs to be prosecuted regardless if it's successful or not. I'm just saying that this whole idea that Democrats (or Republicans) engage in election fraud on a massive scale is far from a "documented fact" and it doesn't really make much sense that a political party commits such massive fraud but it doesn't affect the outcome and they never get caught.

BTW many types of election fraud are federal crimes even if committed in local elections. So the conspiracy theory that states are hiding something doesn't make much sense either. Trump could send the FBI (or the Space Force since he obviously doesn't trust the FBI) and blow this thing wide open.

I see, first it was no election fraud happens, then the qualifiers come out "on a massive scale" as if it is acceptable if it is "just a little bit" of voter fraud. The states still have control of all the information needed to compare the public record with the actual voter information. They attempted to investigate it, but the localities REFUSED TO COOPERATE. What does refusing to cooperate with a criminal investigation usually mean? What do they have to hide?

For fuck sake Democrats are openly advocating for illegal aliens to be able to vote, and even to vote illegally. Weird how we just spent three years, millions of dollars, and created all kind of national divides over foreign election interference, just so long as the aliens voting aren't Russians it is A-OK.