Quote from: TwitchySeal on May 26, 2020, 03:58:21 AM

Quote from: TECSHARE on May 26, 2020, 02:10:59 AM

[google results for 'voter fraud trump won popular vote']

You can type anything into google and find media reports to back up whatever argument you can think of.

They're all sensationalized and don't prove anything other than 'voter fraud happens'. And nobody is arguing whether or not voter fraud happens. It does. There is proof it happens. We all know it happens.

I randomly just clicked on this one:

"Voter Fraud Rampant in Sanctuary Cities"

https://www.libertyheadlines.com/fraud-rampant-sanctuary/

Quote

Continuing a series of reports on rampant fraud in voter registration and participation, the Public Interest Legal Foundation this week reported that more than 3,100 non-citizens registered to vote in just 13 sanctuary cities in the past decade.

This comes on the heels of a report last week that 19 illegal aliens were charged with voting in North Carolina in the 2016 presidential election.

The article is more about immigration than any voter fraud, but we learned that there were 19 illegal aliens that voted in NC. They were charged. Over the past 10 years 3,120 names were removed from the voter registry because the person requested it themselves, it was a mistake at the dmv or shit like that.

So yeah. Voter fraud happens. Good job.

[You can put "space aliens" into google! Proof space doesn't exist!]

This is such a pathetic strawman argument designed to avoid addressing any of the information I presented, because you know you have no response to it. I wasn't talking about NC, I was talking about California, and I presented LOTS of evidence voter fraud is RAMPANT in California. It just so happens that without California, Hillary Clinton would have no "popular vote" advantage whatsoever, but lets keep pretending these things can't effect elections, because you can find "space aliens" in google.

Quote from: squatz1 on May 26, 2020, 05:53:02 AM

Eh I don't think that all of the Republican ideas about securing the voter system is bad. I do think that it is very important to ensure that every vote in the US is done by a citizen of the US that has the right to vote by the guidelines established by their state.

Do I think that you should be required to have an ID to be vote? Yes - but if this is a requirement in your state, I think the state should pay for the ID card for all people (or I guess those under a certain income level)

Do I think that you should purge the voting rolls at some point that is determined by independent researchers / experts (and not the governor) yes.

So, yeah.

Yet every time some one tries to pass voter ID laws, the Democrats prevent it and call it racist and claim it is disenfranchising poor/black voters. They play the same games when they try to clean up voter rolls. You need an ID to get a gun. You need an ID to buy liquor. Needing an ID to vote though, that is unacceptable! The idea that this $10 or $15 it costs to get issued an ID is disenfranchising any legitimate voters is fucking asinine.

Quote from: TwitchySeal on May 26, 2020, 06:23:30 AM

Yeah, I agree with you on the voter ids.

I'm just saying if more voters benefited Republicans instead of Democrats, it would be the Democrats pushing for voter ids and Republicans pushing back.

I'm not sure what the 'best' system looks like, but it's somewhere between what the dems want and what the republicans want. Oh, and (eventually) it involves some sort of block chain. No paper ballots.

You know what that is called? An assumption. Weird how simple things like voter ID laws and cleaning up voter rolls are so heavily resisted by Democrats even though you seem to agree these are prudent steps to assure election integrity. I guess as long as none of the illegals voting are Russians it is fine right?