Quote from: squatz1 on June 10, 2020, 03:36:28 AM

Quote from: suchmoon on June 08, 2020, 08:34:17 PM

Quote from: squatz1 on June 08, 2020, 07:48:03 PM

He tries to stay out of the public light, though I'm not sure how long that's going to be possible for -- once the Debates start and all of that, Biden is going to have to show up.

Debates are gonna be interesting, if you're a fan of cringe TV. But I don't think it will change much. I mean - how much did you remember from the debates by the time of the 2016 election and how much do you think it helped either candidate?

I'm not even kidding I think the 2016 elections was decided in those last couple days, the debates were fierce and obviously very interesting to watch. At the time, it reaffirmed the fact that Trump wasn't going to be a traditional president, and people wanted that. People wanted to throw a grenade into D.C and pray that it would work to 'drain the swamp' and fix the issues.

While I'll still call myself a conservative (maybe learning more moderate these days) -- I don't think it worked in reforming the government.

The swamp fought back and fought back hard. The Obama FBI was in the middle of a baseless investigation that derailed the first two years of Trump's presidency, and probably got Democrats control over congress in 2018. Trump has struggled to implement his agenda at every turn, having ~all his cabinet nominations held up in the Senate that only resulted in the maximum debate time used with little if any actual debate and no minds changed. He has had to deal with an unprecedented number of "nationwide injunctions" that were previously nearly unheard of. More recently, it appears the Pentagon had undermined Trump's ability to call active-duty troops to protect the US from an insurrection.